Wednesday, August 19, 2015

OROP.:THE BITTER TRUTH ABOUT "OROP" IS MAKE ARMED FORCES A CONSTITUTIONAL INSTITUTION



Mr Shukla


     OROP.:THE  BITTER TRUTH ABOUT"OROP" 
                               IS 

       MAKE ARMED FORCES A CONSTITUTIONAL INSTITUTION  LIKE JUDICIARY ONLY ANSWERABLE TO THE

               "PRESIDENT OF INDIA"  





SOURCE:
http://hillpost.in/2015/08/the-bitter-truth-about-orop/104013/




                                                                                      


                    The Bitter Truth About                                                                                         By                            
                                                     




     
                         







The current debate about OROP (One Rank One Pension) has become infused with too much passion, emotion, recriminations, frustration and downright prevarication. This, though perhaps understandable, is not healthy because it tends to blur and take the focus away from the hard issues involved, and prevents a rational analysis of the problem.

The plain fact is that OROP is just not implementable, and the sooner the Government comes out with an open admission on this, and stops leading the defence forces down the garden path, the better.


The government consists of scores of departments (of which the armed forces are also a part), thousands of categories of posts and hundreds of pay scales/ranks. Their remuneration, promotion avenues, pensions have been arrived at after decades of deliberation and many Pay Commissions. There are intricate linkages between them (called “equation” in government parlance): the whole structure is like a huge spider web in which all the strands are inter-connected, and disturbing just one cobweb destabilises the entire structure. The demand for OROP threatens to do exactly this, and this is why the government is unable to take a decision on this controversial issue.
 
 
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   STRUCTURALLY   ARMED FORCES CAN NOT  BE THE PART OF GOVERNMENT. ARMED FORCES ARE AN INDEPENDENT  POWER CENTRE IN THE HANDS OF SOVEREIGN, INDEPENDENT & DETACHED  OF THE GOVERNMENT, WHOSE LOYALTIES HISTORICALY LIES WITH   THE KING OR THE CONSTITUTION. THOUGH WITH SOME MAJOR DISTORTIONS PAKISTAN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE FOR THE ROLE OF ARMED FORCES IN "NATION BUILDING"  . IT IS  FUNCTIONAL FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. INDIA IS A GOOD EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE THAT   EVEN IN  "DEMOCRACY" ALSO  GOVERNENCE  CANNOT BE GIVEN A FREE RUN.  CHECKS & BALANCES  IN GOVERNENCE  IS THE MANTRA  & ARMED FORCES ALONG WITH THE JUDICIARY  IS THE ANSWERIN THE ABSENCE OF CHECK & BALANCES ALL THESE COUNTRIES ie  INDIA, PAKISTAN & AFGHANISTAN ARE GOVERNED  BY AN ORGANISED   MAFIA SYNDICATE IN FORM OR THE OTHER


         VASUNDHRA


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Soldier OROP
 
The basic premise of OROP is inherently flawed. One’s pension is inextricably linked to one’s salary at the time of retirement and not to the salary of the same post twenty years later. That is why Pay Commissions, every ten years, do not link past pensions with current salaries but provide a percentage growth to those pensions. This is true of not just the armed forces (as some may think) but of the entire government structure, including ALL civilian posts – with one exception.
 
 ( THIS  WRITER IS MISLEADING THE READER . OROP  IS TO COMPENSATE THE EARLIER RETIREMENT or FAILING WHICH PAY 75 PERCENT OF PENSIONS AS OTHER RESPECTABLE NATIONS & COUNTRIES ARE DOING. BY NOT DOING THIS NOT ONLY THE LIFE OF THE VETERAN IS BEING DESTROYED EVEN HIS CHILDREN's  PSYCHE ALSO BEING DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR )
 
This exception is the “causus belli” or the root of the problem. Many years ago the IAS contrived a sleight of hand (at which we are past masters) to ensure that the highest echelons of the elite civil services, at least, get the benefit of OROP ! This is how it was managed: the highest pay scale in government (currently) is Rs. 80000/ fixed. (only the Chiefs of the three defence forces and the Cabinet Secretary are in the fixed scale of Rs. 90000/). It was decreed that all who retire in this scale (known loftily as the Apex Scale) would get OROP – that is, their pensions would always be linked to whatever revised Apex Scale the subsequent Pay Commissions decided. Since every single IAS (or IFS) officer retires in the Apex Scale this forever ensured OROP for themselves. To reduce any opposition to the stratagem, some Apex Scale posts were also made available to other All India services.
 
  ( AGAIN DISINFORMATION WHY HE IS AVOIDING THE THEFT OF DEFENCE PENSION FUNDS IN 3 CPC
 THIS WAS THE BEGINING OF ARMED FORCES WATERLOO )
 
 
 
 
The top brass in the armed forces were also party to this decision, for they also got a share of the pie. Take the Army. The Apex Scale has also been provided to the VCOAS, Army Commanders, Lt. General (NFSG) and one third of the total strength of Lt. Generals in the force. The same applies to their counterparts in the other two forces. This may perhaps explain why we have not heard the top echelons of the forces coming out in public support of the demand for universal OROP.
 
  (PERFECT EXAMPLE
 
" The  PURCHASE OF LOYALTIES " BY MAFIA. 
 
In this case  "BABU" Branch of Higher Syndicate Mafia " )
 
 
Giving OROP to just the Apex Scale was a bad and inequitable decision, and all the elite civil services and the armed forces were party to it. So, don’t just blame the “babus” please.
 
 [ how do the writer justifies 'NFFU' assured promotions of ASSes  along with the  promotion of the Horses minimum to the level of JOINT SECRETARIES though they may retire while wasting their time as joint secretaries ]
 
 
The chickens have now come home to roost and they’re making quite a racket over it, as chickens will do. Extending OROP to just the defence forces is neither fair, nor possible. It is not fair because, emotive claims apart, they are not the only ones serving the nation – the primary school teacher in a Naxal village in Dantewada is also doing so, the coal miner spending twelve hours every day in the pitch darkness of a flooded mine in Jharia is also doing so, the fireman rushing into a burning building in a Mumbai slum is also doing so. Nor does it help the cause to quote statistics about the number of casualties – the para military forces and some state police forces have consistently had higher casualties than the army over the years. Demanding a special dispensation on the basis of an exclusive claim to patriotism is never a good idea – it has tinges of a hubris that does not go well with the concept of selfless service.
 
 
 [ THE LIVES HAS BEEN BUTCHERD BY NAXALS.  DESTROYED DUE TO   ILLTRAINED MEN, CRIMINAL MANMANAGEMENT AND COMMANDING THE MEN BY REMOTE . WILL THE WRITER TELL THE READER ON THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE BABU HIGHER COMMAND. HAS ANY ONE GOT A KICK TO TIHAR JAIL  ]
 
 
 
The acceptance of the OROP demand is also not practically or legally possible, because it cannot be limited to the armed forces only, and any extension to other services and departments will bankrupt the government for all times. The stirrings have already started – the Central Para Military Forces, the Railway unions, some Associations of central government Ministries – have already given ominous hints that if OROP is allowed to the armed forces it cannot be denied to them. So we’re no longer talking of just 22 lakh ex-servicemen and 6 lakh widows – we’re talking of tens of millions of central and state government employees. We’re no longer looking at a financial implication of Rs. 8000 crores but ten or twenty times that. Its a no brainer.
 
  [MY SIMPLE QUESTION WHY THERE WAS NO MURMURING PRIOR TO 3 CPC.]
 
 
 
And yet there are some aspects of the demand of the armed forces that are legitimate, that are peculiar to them, and which any sensitive government has to consider sympathetically. The primary one for me is their early retirement (especially for the jawans and ORs) and subsequent unemployment with relatively low pension rates. The solution to this vexed imbroglio has to come out of the box and not from any manual of the finance department. Although it is certainly presumptuous of me I would make so bold as to suggest the following steps as an alternative to OROP:
 
 
* Eradicate the root and genesis of the problem — abolish the OROP benefit provided only to the holders of the Apex Scale and cover them under the same formula of pension as applicable to others. This may occasion some resistance from about twenty thousand or so of our plastic frame and a few defence  brass but it would remove the heart burning of many millions of others and restore equity.
 

 * Provide higher pay scales to members of the armed forces to compensate them for their shorter service tenures and lack of promotion avenues. In order to do this the bureaucracy should once and for all give up the specious notion of maintaining “equations”- there are no equations between apples and oranges.
 

 * Increase the gratuity available to ORs and jawans.
 
 
[ NO, SIR, RESTORE OLD 75PERCENT PENSION FOR EARLY RETIREMENT ]
 

 * Provide 50% reservation for jawans and other ORs in all central para-military and state police forces at appropriate levels. Not only would this single measure provide gainful employment to them for another 25 years, it would also considerably enhance the image and effectiveness of these forces because of the sterling qualities of discipline and integrity which these ORs would bring with them. I calculate that there would be about 30,000  retirees from the army every year – the annual vacancies in the para-military and police forces would be many times this number, so adjusting the former should pose no problem. Ex-servicemen Directorates already exist at the Centre and in the states and they can maintain the data of retirees and forward the names against requisitions.
 
OROP is a mirage which will never materialise. If the lot of our ex-servicemen is to be improved and their obvious career disadvantages compensated, suggestions like the above have to be considered. Mr. Modi should learn a thing or two from the armed forces – instead of a head-on confrontation with them he should execute a flanking manoeuvre.
 
 

Avay Shukla retired from the Indian Administrative Service in December 2010. He is a keen environmentalist and loves the mountains.....he has made them his home.





Tuesday, August 18, 2015

OROP : If Modi Knows What's Best He Shouldn't Waffle on OROP

SOURCE:
http://www.dailyo.in/politics/one-rank-one-pension-indian-army-modi-government/story/1/5724.html








Mr Shekar Gupta is known ARMED FORCES baiter who had even imagined a MILITARY COUP during Gen V K Singh's  tenure. He is trying to confuse a well settled issue of OROP by playing BABU GALLERY - Vasundhra
 













If Modi Knows What's Best He Shouldn't                       Waffle on OROP


All other arguments on the One Rank One Pension (OROP) issue fall by the wayside once put the most important fact on the table. It is that servicemen, retired and serving, have popular opinion with them. Our armed forces are our most loved and respected institution. If you took a vote around the country and the question was whether or not the veterans should be paid what they are asking for, the answer would be a resounding yes.

That settles the most important principle of the issue. It also narrows the government's options.

 
The government now is left with no choice but to implement the OROP promise, whatever the cost, and howsoever disruptive it may now be to others, civilians and paramilitary forces. To hesitate now, or to say the price is too high is a little bit like somebody ordering the best dishes at a restaurant and then, when the bill comes, saying, oh, I never looked at prices on the menu.

 
The only answer to that is, gentlemen, you should have looked at prices on the menu before ordering. Chances also are that if you then dithered too long, or tried to bargain with the restaurant for a retrospective discount you would be treated rather rudely.

 
This is precisely what is happening to the NDA government now. Within weeks, the group of Indians that were its strongest — and deeply secular — supporters are now disillusioned and angry. Two of them, an officer and an Other Rank, have started a fast-unto-death. And if an Anna Hazare fasting similarly in the eighth year of the UPA had thrown it completely off-balance, this is precisely what this fast could do to the NDA.

This too is taking place in the heart of the capital, is an even more TV friendly event than the last one, and is enormously more popular than Jan Lokpal.

 
On paper there can be no argument that two officers, each retiring at the same rank, say that of a Naik or a Brigadier, should get the same pension. On that, it seems the government agrees. But what if one retired after serving one year as a brigadier and the other after five, do they still get the same pension? That is complicated as some sections in ex-servicemen community are hazy on it. These veterans think years of service in the rank do not matter. The government argues it must.
 
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  FIRST .MR GUPTA FIRST MAKE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT & BUREAUCRACY(BABU)

SECOND: IF WE GO BY BABU IT WILL BE ONE RANK MANY PENSIONS & LOSS OF 35PERCENT TO 40 PERCENT IN THE PENSIONS

& LASTLY GUPTAJEE  YOUR VIEWS ARE WELCOME BUT PLEASE DONT PLAY GALLERY/ POLITICS because FAUJI understands only straight language


- Vasundhra
                                                                    
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The government argues that pension has to be calculated based on a combination of three key factors: rank at retirement, years served in that rank, and total years in military service. Further, that once pensions are fixed at new levels, these should not be increased as salaries in the same ranks increase year after year, except when reviewed and reset by subsequent pay commissions. There is justification in that argument. But they should have made it much earlier, and not promised the moon.

 
Let me explain the stickiest point: suppose this new set of pensions linked to ranks is fixed now and a Brigadier or a Naik gets a certain amount, say, retiring on September 1 and, as part of this implementation, you bring all those who retired earlier on the same rank to the equal pension level. What will you do when others retire at the same rank in the following months and years, as lakhs would. Will you then continue to revise the earlier retirees' pensions accordingly, and if so, at what frequency?


 
Again, there is a point, but nobody has tried explaining these issues to the rank and file. The government would want to freeze the new pensions at the settlement arrived at today, and then have subsequent pay commissions look at future revisions.

This isn't acceptable to the veterans.

 
As if this isn't bad enough, a greater complication arises from the fact that even the ex-servicemen are not like a well-organised trade union with a leadership that represents all, and can negotiate formally on their behalf.

 
Armed forces personnel are classified with great clarity according to rank. And given how hierarchical they are, there is no surprise that most of the leaders talking to the government are retired senior officers.

 
Let's move now to the next most important fact. Nobody in the BJP can deny that in the run-up to the elections they politicised Indian soldiers as no other party had done in the past.

They painted the UPA government as not just weak, but also callous and not soldier-friendly. In the campaign rhetoric they pushed it further by linking nationalism with an unprecedented new militarism. The basic tone of the BJP election campaign was the most hawkish and militaristic ever in our history.

Several senior and recently retired soldiers joined the party on the eve of elections, as did many top officers from other national security organisations, intelligence agencies (including the RAW chief), and the IAS (including the Union home secretary).


 
The campaign was built on national security issues and the propaganda that the previous government had ignored it and ill-treated those responsible for ensuring it, particularly the armed forces. The armed forces voted heavily for the BJP, the veterans became its most vocal supporters and fellow travellers. But now, with the costs of these promises staring them in the face, BJP leaders are hesitating.

 
They must conclude this now. There is no need to negotiate further. They are the government. They should decide what they think is fairest and what India can afford to pay its finest citizens. Many will be left unhappy, but every pay commission too leaves many unhappy. The government should then go out and explain the details of the new pension norms to the soldiering community. Waffling is a most disastrous approach. And remember, India voted resoundingly for Narendra Modi because he promised a decisive government.

 
In the UAE on Monday, Modi complained he had inherited a lazy, slothful, indecisive system and was going to change it. He could begin by taking a decision on the OROP issue and take the consequences on the chin. Delay is now allowing resentment to seep into the ranks of serving soldiers.



  Mr Shekar Gupta is known ARMED FORCES baiter who had even imagined a MILITARY COUP during Gen V K Singh's  tenure. He is trying to confuse a well settled issue of OROP by playing BABU GALLERY - Vasundhra
























 

OROP : ARCHIEVE -Wake up citizens . Look what police did to a old veteran . Is he threat to national security ?



 






Petition update
 
just posted an update on the
 
petition you signed, Government:
 
Unjust treatment to disciplined 
 
 peaceful demonstration ot
 
acceptable.

Wake up citizens . Look what police did to a old veteran . Is he threat to national security ?

17 Aug, 2015 — Blood and life we were ready to give on battle field . Not while doing peaceful demonstrations for our legitimate rights . Read more
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The PM's speech today is indicative of the harsh fact that the bureaucratic stranglehold on policy & administration continues.....
Why ?


Alka Sharma's photo.
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I m a Fouji wife and a Fauji mother , husband retired and son serving. All these years I felt so proud to be a member of an extended Fauji family-serving and re...tired upholding our ethos. However, treatment meted out to our veterans has deeply saddened me.leave aside apathy of the Government, they are insensitive to the very institution that has upheld the sovereignty and integrity of our nation.Even today our veterans and their families are ready to make sacrifices for beloved India.But, ironically, our policians and their henchmen ( Babus) care very little.Our old people are beaten and their medals torn.India is the only country in the world where veterans are disrespected. 

 

 What is equally disturbing is that while very aged people , who may not even see the benefits of their struggle, are crusading , many retired senior officers are simply missing from the scene.
Traditionally, it is the serving chiefs and top military commanders who should be pursuing the legitimate demand of OROP seem to be mute and helpless.They seem to have forgotten that todays serving military man is tomorrow's veteran. There are a large number of veterans whose sons and daughters are serving in the military.How will they feel if their parents or grand parents are humiliated and beaten by the police in full media view. 


 

 Out commercial media leaves no stone unturned to show bad news about the military, when it comes to good acts of military men or covering OROP, they are simply disinterested.
The veteran protests and the reponse of various agencies is an eye opener.It makes us -the diehard fooji wives and mothers think ....does this nation deserve the military it has?.I appeal to my fb frienfs to support the just cause of OROP .Kindly share this post with others


 








 

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Monday, August 17, 2015

OROP :The Nation can ill afford such an imbroglio- A CRISP MISSIVE BY FORMER CHIEFS




7 ARMY CHIEFS.. 2 Air Chiefs.. 1 NAVAL CHIEF WRITE TO PM MODI.. DISTRESSED AT THE HAPPENINGS
 

Former ARMED FORCES CHIEFs  have written to Prime Minister Narendra Modi on One Rank One Pension or OROP, against the delay by the government in implementing the scheme. The letter is signed by seven former Army chiefs General VN Sharma, General Shankar Roy Choudhary, General S Padmanabhan, General NC Vij, General JJ Singh, General Deepak Kapoor and General Bikram Singh, two former Air Force chiefs Air Chief Marshal NC Suri and Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi and former Naval chief Admiral Madhvendera Singh.


 FULL TEXT OF THE LETTER   


We, the Former Chiefs of the three Defence Services are deeply perturbed and distressed by the highhanded treatment of our veterans on 14 August 2015 at Jantar Mantar.


These veterans have been on a peaceful demonstration at this venue and have been trying to make the Government hear their voice since 12 June 2015. We unequivocally condemn the action by the Police and urge the Government to investigate and take immediate action.


This indiscretion on the part of the Police has seriously impacted the pride and morale of all ranks of the three Services and the Veterans.

 It is pertinent to mention that these veterans are the same soldiers, who have displayed unflinching loyalty towards the Constitution and the Nation during their service and still remain motivated to die for a noble cause. Unfortunately their dignity and pride today stand scarred and is a cause for serious concern.


We had earlier not approached the Hon'ble Prime Minister as we had full faith in the announcements made by our senior political leadership from time to time. We were also hopeful that the announcement of the implementation of the OROP would be made to the Nation on Independence Day. Regrettably this has not happened.

 Also, the highhanded attitude of the Police on 14 August has prompted us to raise this issue to your esteemed office.


There is only one definition of "One Rank One Pension" and that has been accepted both by the current and previous Parliaments and also by the Raksha Mantri in the presence of the Veterans.


This is "uniform pension to be paid to the Armed Forces personnel retiring in the same rank with same length of service irrespective of their date of retirement".

Simultaneously, 'Annual Review System' would be required to be put in place for equalization of pension of the past and current retirees.

Raksha Mantri had also after consultations with the Services Headquarters representatives, Veterans and MoD Officials approved a Rs 8300 Cr - Model in Feb 2014 based on formula of maximum pension data for each rank and Service as on Financial Year 2014.

The often quoted technical difficulties without ever being specified and discussed are thus bewildering.

This is simple arithmetic based on the Standard Pension Tables of the Govt.

These delays are construed to be only with a view to bring in changes in the parameters and dilute the entitlements, which will be grossly unjust and unacceptable.


We have full faith in our Political Leadership but their inability to clinch the issue leaves us dismayed.


We stand steadfastly by the side of our colleagues and fully support their just cause. Our silence so far was due to the need to observe propriety.

As much as the OROP, the respect and dignity of the soldier is at stake here and let it be known that we have extreme concern for the Veteran's long pending demands. We would strongly urge the Government to settle this issue expeditiously and in an urgent time frame. Any further delays, in our considered view, will be at the cost of damaging the pride of the veterans and lowering the morale of the Armed Forces.


The Nation can ill afford such an imbroglio.













 



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

OROP: SOME RESPITE ON OROP

सोर्स: 
कर्टसी  एक्स सर्विसमैन वेलफेयर 
http://ex-servicemenwelfare.blogspot.in/




SOME RESPITE ON OROP - After Manohar Parrikar's assurance, veterans to give more time to government before escalation
New Delhi: Disappointed with the Independence Day speech by Prime Minister Narendra Modi where he did not make a firm commitment on the 'One Rank One Pension' issue, veterans had been planning an intensification of protests throughout the nation, but a massive reach out by the government has slowed things down for the moment. 

While several veterans at Jantar Mantar announced fast unto death and rallies were being planned across cities, many top government functionaries reached out to the united ex-servicemen front, re- questing them not to escalate matters for a few days as final efforts were on to resolve the issue 


On Saturday, hours after PM Modi’s speech, defence minister Manohar Parrikar reached out to the veteran’s organisation, requesting them for ‘4-5 days’ for a final resolution. This reach-out was followed by a similar meeting and request by minister of state for foreign affairs Gen VK Singh (retd), who also requested that the matter should not be escalated as the issue was being resolved. 


On Saturday, hours after PM Modi's speech, defence minister Manohar Parrikar reached out to the veteran's organisation, requesting them for '4-5 days' for a final resolution. This reach-out was followed by a similar meeting and request by minister of state for foreign affairs Gen VK Singh (retd), who also requested that the matter should not be escalated as the issue was being resolved. 

On Sunday, Army Chief Gen Dalbir Singh also spoke to the veterans, requesting them to call off the protest. Sources said that while veterans have promised not to escalate matters for the next week due to multiple government assurances, they are in no mood to back off. The relay hunger strike in the Capital is continuing and a presence will be maintained at Jantar Mantar, sources said. 

(SOURCE- THEE ECONOMIC TIMES)