Wednesday, September 16, 2015

OROP : Dhanyavad rally to thank BJP = A BIG JOKE


I SOUGHT MY SOUL ,MY SOUL I DID NOT SEE,
I SOUGHT MY GOD , MY GOD ELUDED ME,
I SOUGHT MY BROTHER,
AND IN IESM I FOUND ALL THE THREE



Dear Veterans


You are all aware that Govt has played a big joke on Ex-servicemen by announcing OROP on 5 Sep 2015. Surprisingly the three chiefs were present during the announcement by the RM  but did not raise their voice against this unilateral and unjust announcement of OROP. Some ESM organisation connected to BJP are conducting a Dhanyavad rally to thank BJP on announcing this faulty OROP. Very sorry state and in-fact it is back stabbing to all ex-servicemen. 


UFESM has studied the declaration of OROP in detail and have noticed seven deficiencies in it. It is for the information of all that this announcement is  short of full OROP and all ranks from sepoy to officers will  lose several thousand in their pension as compared to full OROP. Moreover there is a doubt that even 7 CPC will not be given to AF Personnel, which will be a great loss. Accepting this announcement will be against the welfare of all ex-servicemen and veer naris. UFESM has therefore rejected this unilateral and unjustified declaration of OROP. Government is being arrogant and wishes to force their order down our throat and call it a fulfilling of their promise of OROP. UFESM will not accept it. This is democracy and no one even Govt can force its view on its lawful citizen and ex-servicemen.  Accordingly UFESM is continuing with the RHS and agitation at JM as a mark of protest. A grand EKTA rally was organised on 12 Sept 15 which was attended by more than 50000 ESM from 14 states to express their anguish and opposition to this unilateral declaration. The rally and its conduct has been reported and appreciated all over the world despite the gag order by Govt in India.

UFESM had earlier given a call to 
  1. Boycott all Government and Military function as a mark of protest against non implementation of OROP as per approved definition. This ban still holds and UFESM requests all ESM to send a polite but firm regret for all invites for such function.
  2. Fly black flags on top of your house as a mark of  protest to this illegal and half cocked declaration of OROP. 
Next big rally has been announced by UFESM for mid December to show our unhappiness with the Govt decision.

In Delhi we are sending our regret for invites for such functions. All ESM must also follow the same and convey our unhappiness to Govt. 

 
Regards
Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM
Flat no 801, Tower N5
Narmada Apartments
Pocket D6 
Vasant Kunj
Nelson Mandela Marg
New Delhi. 110070
Mobile   
09810541222
OROP is our right. Dilution in OROP will NOT be accepted.
 
IF YOU SEE SOMEONE WITHOUT A SMILE GIVE HIM ONE OF YOURS.



  




From: "Ravindra Pathak raviwarsha@gmail.com [indianveterans]" <indianveterans@yahoogroups.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: [indianveterans] Boycott 1965 function at AFMC

 

Dear All

You must have got an SMS invite for the function at AFMC on 18 Sep 2015 at 1945 hrs.
IESM requests all Veterans to boycott the function in view of the Governments attitude to wards the veterans in that whilst we are being ignored and ill treated they are trying to glorify the 1965 war and indirectly show false respect for the Veterans and armed forces.
Kindly join the boycott.
Brgds
Pathak

Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N. (Retd)      
Member Governing Body and Pension Cell
Indian Ex Servicemen Movement
1 Surashri,1146 Lakaki Road
Shivajinagar 
Pune 411016
raviwarsha@gmail.com
9822329340 

What do we live for, if not to make life less difficult for each other? 

One of members had this to say about IESM

I SOUGHT MY SOUL ,MY SOUL I DID NOT SEE,
I SOUGHT MY GOD , MY GOD ELUDED ME,
I SOUGHT MY BROTHER,
AND IN IESM I FOUND ALL THE THREE.

OROP : MR PRIME MINISTER, WHY ARE YOU VACILLATING?

SOURCE  :http://www.thecitizen.in/NewsDetail.aspx?Id=5150&MR/PRIME/MINISTER,/WHY/ARE/YOU/VACILLATING




MR PRIME MINISTER, WHY ARE YOU VACILLATING?
 
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 Tuesday, September 15, 2015

CHANDIGARH


 The OROP saga continues. Even though for the nth time the government has accepted that OROP is a justified demand of the Indian Military, it is still vacillating in issuing the implementation order. The announcement made by the Defence Minister in a press conference on 5 September still remains just an announcement. Thereafter too, many functionaries of the government, especially the Prime Minister and the Defence Minister have repeatedly stated that OROP is accepted, but why is there is no movement towards implementation. The protesting veterans have unequivocally stated that the diluted version is not acceptable, as both the present and the previous governments and indeed even the Parliament have accepted it in totality. 




Since then, this important demand seems to be hanging in the air, as the government has taken ‘Maun Vrat’ on the issue, while the veteran’s leadership has stated that OROP with caveats is not acceptable, as they are after thoughts inserted by the bureaucracy to delay and deny a justifiable demand. This deadlock must end as this unnecessary confrontation is neither good for the government nor for the Indian Military. One does not need to be a space scientist to also add that it is adversely affecting the security of the nation.
 





The veterans have repeatedly stated that the following are the areas of dissonance that need to be removed; an implementation letter issued; and this unnecessary hiatus brought to an end:
 



1. Inserting ‘VRS’, an obvious red herring, by vested interests needs to be removed forthwith, as this is inapplicable to the military. Subsequently, both the Prime Minister and the Defence Minister have publicly stated that those who had taken pre-mature retirement (a legitimate action) are covered by OROP. So, why is there hesitancy in promulgating it?
 



2. During negotiations, government representatives had confirmed that the base year would be 2013-14. So, why was it changed to a vague terminology? Another red herring by the same wily functionaries!
 




3. Annual equalization is necessary so that at no stage does a senior person starts getting less emoluments. This is a core issue and is in consonance with the Supreme Court judgment. The government’s offer of equalization after five years on the grounds of administrative difficulties is laughable in this electronic era.
 



4. Government’s suggestion of appointing a one-judge commission is obviously for further delaying implementation. If the legitimate projected demands are accepted, no commission or committee of any type is needed.
 



5. Another red herring is the so-called ‘average pay scales’, when it was already decided that “top of the pay scales” would apply.
 



6. OROP must not be linked to any contrary insertions in future pay commissions, as the whole concept hinges on and has been accepted as an action in perpetuity.
 



The above points are hardly impossible demands, as it is made out to be. The problem is ‘attitude’, nothing else.
 



It is apparent that the bureaucrats are bent on taking both the political leadership as well as the military for a royal ride and in the bargain have tried to show to the public that the veterans are being greedy.


 

The entire delay in implementing OROP is on account of the unnecessary and motivated brouhaha about draining the treasury, when crores are being promised/spent on election gimmicks. It is sad that even leaders of stature, like the Prime Minister, as well as defence and finance ministers have fallen in this obvious bureaucratic trap. They must think independently and ensure that promises made in the run-up to the elections and subsequently are fully met. 


All leaders, whether kings and emperors of a previous era, or elected representatives of the people today, have always understood the dire need to secure the frontiers of the nation against external aggression. That is the reason for having militaries; bureaucrats and diplomats do not fight only soldiers do. Our political leaders must understand the need to have a modernized, satisfied and happy military for securing the state, which is of paramount importance.
 




In earlier times, it was a matter of good governance that this important instrument of the state was accorded the highest status, usually just below the state leadership. This norm continues in all countries. However, in our country, a continuing and deliberate policy of downgrading the military continues. This is a post-Independence phenomenon, the roots of which lie in the rise of an ignorant political class, which a wily bureaucracy exploited to its advantage. This combination seems to have reached a nadir now and unless drastic measures are taken and urgently, there is grave danger of the nation losing both its security and sovereignty.
 


 [ GENERAL SAHIB

 "" IS MILITARY TAKEOVER THE WAY OUT "" ]


Such a grave tragedy could have occurred much earlier, but India has such a highly dedicated and loyal military, steeped in traditions of valour and sacrifice that the Indian Military, despite all the negatives thrown in its way persevered and served the nation with professionalism, competence and élan.
 

It was the rapid response by the Indian Military that saved the day when the Pakistani marauders attacked J&K within two months of our Independence in October 1947, when the military was in the midst of being divided between India and Pakistan. Thereafter, every war that was forced on India was tackled with resolve despite indifferent and at times timid political leadership and poor equipment. The war of 1971 was the most glorious chapter that the Indian Military wrote in blood and then in 1999, despite unnecessary curbs imposed on the military during the Kargil War, the sacrifices of the Indian Military brought the nation victory against overwhelming odds. However, while the military was doing its duty diligently, scheming file-pushers were continuing with their policy of running down the military, both in status and in monetary terms. Such a situation could not last forever as even the most disciplined individual or group reaches a point after which the break occurs.
 



It is my conviction that such a point has nearly been reached. Hence, the need for immediate resolution of this long-festering problem.


[ IF THE CORRECTIVE RESOLUTION DOESN'T TAKE PLACE THAN DONT REGRET THE DAY WHEN THE LEADER SHIP WILL BE UPSURGE  BY JUNIOR LEADERS. I MEAN JCOs & NCOs ]



The Indian Military has many grouses, all legitimate, but the most recent and the most emotive is the issue of OROP that concerns every soldier, sailor and airman, whether serving or retired. The recent vacillation and pussyfooting by the government is exacerbating the problem. Apparently, the political leadership is getting wrong and motivated advice. Unless the leadership stops listening to its self-centered and myopic advisers, a catastrophe is waiting to happen. The nation’s leaders, intellectuals and well-meaning citizens need to weigh all aspects with maturity and seriousness and resolve this issue by thinking and acting as statesmen and not mere political leaders. It is patently wrong to think that like trade unions the veterans have hiked their demands and they would finally accept some kind of a negotiated settlement. Those who understand the military mind know that this is not so, but apparently those advising the political leadership are unable to see anything beyond their noses!
 



I am sure that the government has received the reports of the recent Ekta Rally and the overwhelming response it has received from all military persons, despite unnecessary and stupid curbs by naïve administrators. If the leadership wants to continue acting like ostriches, it will find itself wringing its hands when the balloon goes up. Please believe me that the thread that tethers the balloon is so worn out now that it has nearly reached its breaking point.
 




Let me end this epistle with what William Shakespeare had stated, which continues to be as relevant today as it was then.
 



“There is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood,
 
leads on to fortune;
 
omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries”







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O R O P : This is the face of a veteran., & FATE OF INDIAN ARMY






                 This is the face of a veteran.

 Proud of his Country, his Regiment, his Army.

 And for unfathomable reasons, we have a government, backed by bureaucrats, that is determined to destroy his izzat, and in the process of doing so, destroy the nation too.


                      The Americans say

                   "God bless America".

                             PAKI  SAY

                      "BANIA BHARAT

      
                               TO DAY


             We need to say " God save India"
 
 
 
 
 
Shivaji Ghosh's photo.
 
 
 
 
NO COUNTRY IN THIS UNIVERSE HAS            TREATED THEIR VETERANS
                           SO SHABBILY
                                  AS
      OUR MERA BHARAT MAHAN(!!!! )
 
 
 
 
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Colonel Pushpendra Singh and Hawaldar Major Singh have begun a hunger strike at Jantar Mantar in Delhi demanding OROP (Image via Twitter: @ANI)© Provided by Hindustan Times
              Colonel Pushpendra Singh
                                  and
                  Hawaldar Major Singh
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Alka Sharma's photo.


 
 


            & FATE OF INDIAN ARMY
 
 

OROP...DISSECTED...

 XXXXXXXXXXXXX



FEEDBACK -1; that Babus feel happy having achieved their aim ; DELAYED SUCCESFULLY FOR 7 MONTHS SINCE 01 FEB 2015 ,after RM promised OROP in his meeting with IESM. By further creating deviations , IESM will remain embroiled in contradicting / seek clarifications etc . Their RHS / agitation will peter out by Govt's TIRING OUT policy.




...
FEEDBACK --2 ; that BABUS are confident that One man judicial commission will never be able to give a report anywhere closer to what OROP is. BABUS / Govt will never agree to 5 men commission . Let UFESM keep sitting at JM for as long as they want and keep getting tired out; "WE HAVE PUT THE SPOKES IN THE WHEEL WHICH NO GOVT CAN SOLVE"


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

O R O P : Army Veterans Disappointed





                          OROP :Army veterans disappointed                                                with
                                   fine print of OROP  







Published on Sep 5, 2015
On News Point, we ask representatives of protesting ex-servicemen about their core demands and the fine prints of the One Rank One Pension that they are discontent with. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar announced the implementation of the long delayed OROP. However, armed forces personnel are unhappy about some clauses in the government's version of the scheme. (Audio in Hindi)
Watch full video:
http://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/muq...






                             To The Point
      : OROP Rolled Out, Deadlock Persists  








Published on Sep 7, 2015
War veterans have called off the fast unto death OROP protest as PM Modi reassured them of provisions this morning. However, deadlock over this issue persists.

To The Point hosted by Karan Thapar, is a show that helps viewers gain a better understanding of contemporary issues in India.
It explores different interpretations of the latest news and presents the best analysis of the same.














 

OROP : DISSEMINATE & HELP THE CAUSE Advertisement in Hindustan Times, 17th Sep 15

      Maj. General (R) Satbir Singh talks about Govt. attempting to derail #OROP 
 

                         DISSEMINATE
                                      &
                      HELP THE CAUSE

      Advertisement in Hindustan Times,
                           17th Sep 15




On Page 1.

Please do read and pass on to all the people that you can -- especially your civilian friends. Thanks.



OROP : MESSAGE MAJ GEN SATBIR SINGH UNITED FRONT OF EX -SERVICEMEN = ONGOING RELAY HUNGER STRIKE




      Maj. General (R) Satbir Singh talks about                        Govt. [read  BABUs ] 
            attempting to derail #OROP  









                                                                             Dated: 16 SEP 2015
 
 
UNITED FRONT OF EX -SERVICEMEN                  
          
 ONGOING RELAY HUNGER STRIKE AND COUNTRYWIDE AGITATION IN SUPPORT OF IMPLEMENTATION OF OROP AT JANTAR MANTAR NEW DELHI
 
 
Dear Friends,
 
1.                  Attendance on 12th Sep 2015 in our Sainik Ekta Rally was impressive.   We need to further increase our Agitation in Length, Breadth and depth across the country.  There is need for all ESM specially officers to join in the effort in a big way.  It is the noble call of duty for the senior officers specially retired Chiefs, Army Cdr all Lt Gens to showcase solidarity to the cause of the solders.  We need to not only get the Actual OROP implemented but also have other  important issues resolved to  ensure dignity and respect for our soldiers and members of the families.
 
2.      All ESM, therefore, are requested to visit Jantar Mantar and other locations where Protest Movement is being organized.
 
With Regards,  

Yours Sincerely,

Maj Gen Satbir Singh, SM (Retd)                                                                                   
Advisor United Front of Ex Servicemen & Chairman IESM                                                                                                                     
Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570                                  
Email:satbirsm@gmail.com          
 


MERE BHARAT  MAHAN - JAI HIND

A fiery speech by Pavitra Singh at #OROP on 7th of September 2015  






Pavitra Singh from a Fauji family talks about the importance of all Defence veterans keeping up the struggle for #OROP especially now that we are so close to winning the battle




















 
 
 

Tuesday, September 15, 2015

OROP :After OROP, Another Demand Taking Shape Within Armed Forces

SOURCE  :
 http://www.rediff.com/news/report/defence-news-after-orop-another-demand-taking-shape-within-armed-forces/20150915.htm




After OROP, Another Demand Taking Shape                     Within Armed Forces



September 15, 2015
 
 
Military officers deeply resent the fact that the IAS and IFS keep getting promoted, regardless of merit and performance.
 
They will now demand further pay and promotion parity with civilians, says Ajai Shukla
 
 
 
The government will pay out at least Rs 18,000-22,000 crore for OROP settlement, but still leave most ex-servicemen grumbling. Photograph: PTI
 
The still unresolved, One Rank, One Pension agitation has exacerbated the lack of trust between the military, on the one hand, and politicians and bureaucrats, on the other.
 
In a double defeat for the government, it will pay out at least Rs 18,000-22,000 crore for a settlement, but still leave most ex-servicemen grumbling. That is because the government has misunderstood the nature of the OROP agitation: it is less a demand for money than an expression of outrage at being discriminated against vis-à-vis the cordially disliked Indian Administrative Service. Many veterans have told me they would accept the status quo on pensions, provided OROP benefits are also withdrawn from the IAS and the Indian Foreign Service.
 
 
But the tiger has tasted blood, given the strong media and public support during the OROP agitation. Already another (morally and logically justifiable) demand is taking shape with armed forces discussion groups buzzing with another long-standing grievance bearing the clumsy moniker of "non-functional upgradation". NFU, which the government has denied the military, was granted to numerous Group A central services like the Defence Research & Development Service, Border Roads Organisation, Indian Ordnance Factory Service, et al.
 
It is only a matter of time before the NFU demand is raised more strongly.
 
 
In simple terms, NFU means that when an IAS officer from a particular batch (a batch includes everyone who joins service the same year) is promoted to a certain rank (say deputy secretary), all her batchmates from Group A central services automatically start drawing the pay scale of deputy secretary two years after her promotion. This continues all the way up the line. The term NFU implies that, even as those officials continue to discharge their earlier functions, they are upgraded to the higher pay grade of their IAS batchmate. Effectively this means that every central services officer makes it to top pay grades, albeit with a two-year time lag behind the IAS.
 
 
You might wonder why the IAS, which safeguards its own interests well by virtue of making the rules, has not awarded itself NFU cover. That is because it does not need it; every IAS officer anyway reaches the government's highest grade of pay, called the "apex scale", which brings in a salary of Rs 80,000 a month. Even when an IAS officer fails to get empanelled for promotion by the Centre, she continues getting time-scale promotions in her state cadre. When she reaches the rank of "additional chief secretary" in the state cadre, which all of them automatically do, she enters the apex scale. The Indian Foreign Service benefits from a similar system.
 
 
Military officers deeply resent the fact that the IAS and IFS keep getting promoted, regardless of merit and performance. Furthermore, the IAS wrangled an order after the 6th Pay Commission that officials drawing salaries in the apex scale would be automatically entitled to OROP. This means that, as successive pay commissions revise the apex scale, as the 7th Pay Commission is currently doing, their pensions would rise in sync. However, 99 per cent of military officers do not make it to the apex scale. For them, each pay commission would separately determine smaller pension raises.
 
 
The double benefit to the IAS and IFS -- i.e., apex scale salaries for all, and OROP for all -- is doubly infuriating to the military, whose exceptionally steep promotion pyramid allows only a minuscule percentage of officers to reach the apex scale. Of a hundred army, navy or air force officers in a batch, only 30 to 40 are selected for promotion to colonel (or equivalent rank in the navy and air force), 10 to 12 of those go on to become brigadiers, four to five become major generals and just one or two make lieutenant general, where apex scales apply. While the military deems this rank hierarchy essential, officers believe they must be covered by NFU, so that those who lose out on promotion do not simultaneously lose out on salaries and pension.
 
 
There are significant and obvious disadvantages in being excluded from NFU. A major general posted to army headquarters as an additional director general draws a significantly lower salary than a civilian director serving directly under him. If the major general were to retire in his present rank, his pension would be Rs 5,000 lower than his civilian subordinate, even were the latter to retire on the same date with less service than the general. Every Group A central service officer is assured of retiring in at least the "higher administrative grade" pay scale, equivalent to the pay grade of a lieutenant general. In comparison, just one per cent of army officers reach that pay grade.
 
 
 
Yet the defence ministry has flatly turned down NFU for the armed forces, after the military demanded it in 2009-10. The detailed and convincing case mentioned a range of employment-related hardships the military faced, including: legally binding curbs on their fundamental rights, strict disciplinary codes, long separation from families, truncated careers, stringent promotion criteria, continuous hazards and threats to life. Furthermore, the grant of NFU to the IPS but not to the military disturbed the principle of parity between the two that the 3rd, 4th and 5th Pay Commissions had established.
 
 
The defence ministry peremptorily rejected this demand in a one-page note on July 15, 2010. This said the military's service conditions were different from those of civilians (hardly news to the military, which had citing harsher working conditions in their demand). The ministry argued that the services already got "military service pay" as compensation for difficult working conditions. Finally, stating the obvious again, the ministry declared that NFU was for organised Group A services, which the military was not. A right-to-information petition later revealed that no civil servant higher than a joint secretary had considered this demand, which three service chiefs had vetted and cleared.
 
 
As with OROP, the system seems not to be correcting itself until it is pushed to the wall. The 7th Pay Commission is unlikely to extend NFU to the armed forces, since members are protesting that it makes poor economic sense. The army, navy and air force know that is true but will not countenance everybody getting the benefit except for the one that deserves it most, by virtue of having by far the highest percentage of superseded personnel.
 
 
The big political question is: what form will the demand for NFU take?
 
OROP was a pension issue, so pensioners did the heavy lifting at Jantar Mantar, the protest site in New Delhi.
 
But how will serving officers demand NFU?
 
 
If the central government is frustrated by these complex and interlinked demands, it must blame the deplorable creating of exceptions for the IAS. Avay Shukla, a former IAS officer who blogs on Hill Post, noted during the OROP agitation:
 
 "The government consists of scores of departments... There are intricate linkages between them: the whole structure is like a huge spider web in which all the strands are inter-connected, and disturbing just one cobweb destabilises the entire structure."
 
 
With the structure already disturbed, can the government restore the status quo ante?


Finding a new equilibrium that balances so many actors seems well nigh impossible.

 
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