OROP : STUPIDs I WAS NOT DEFENDING YOU - I WAS DEFENDING MY COUNTRY'S PRIDE

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             Indian Army's Death Wish. 
                                  BY
                             💀💀💀
                         
                           anonymous



Dear India, thanks for killing my Pride.

I wish I was in Pakistani Army.

 PAKISTAN  In spite of having been beaten repeatedly by India, it wouldn't still have bothered me one bit. Because it's not what my Enemy thinks of me.

 A Soldier's head is held high if his Countrymen hold him in high Esteem.

 On this sad parting with YOU, the most ungrateful lot, I still would like to thank you, for the Pride I lived with all along, simply believing I was enjoying your respect. I would have lost my Fighting Spirit long ago had you behaved so indifferently earlier.
Thank you for maintaining my Self-esteem for so long.

Luckily, though I risked my life for you in every past operation, I survived though I  was shot at twice. I now thank you for making me aware of what blunder I would have done to Die for you.

Why should Soldiers die for you when you have decided to perish yourself. 



 I wish I had been in Pakistani Army all along. You would probably have learnt your lessons much earlier. Being there, I wouldn't have had to beg my own Government to make me strong.

Here, I was in a Country, where my own Government and the Babus feared me, 
 hated me, despised me more than the Enemy.


 I don't need the Enemy, cos I have you.

You thought you would continue to be safe as long as you had enough stupid canon fodder like me. You were grossly wrong. I was not the only one who was going to die. You too would have died eventually, old, sick and miserable, slaves of a stronger enemy, in your own Country.


 If you thought I was defending you all along, you were dumb.

I was not defending you.

I was defending my Country's Pride.

Thanks to your behaviour, I am relieved, I am liberated, I am free to live my own life now.


 Why? Because that Pride is gone.


My dear Countrymen, you don't mean a damn to me anymore. Not only have you insulted me, humiliated me, used me and abused me, you also did the same to my forefathers in Jantar Mantar, my elders, my Inspirers, my Motivators.

You have slaughtered the Goose which laid Golden Eggs for you.



You are     DOOMED.


If you have any doubts, please read what Chanakya said to the Great King long ago.

 Now, you are on your own.

 You take care of yourself. I don't even want to wish you the best any more

BECAUSE YOU DON'T DESERVE IT. 

 Good Bye.


 WE SOLDIERS WILL LOOK DOWN UPON YOU FROM THE HEAVENS


 
........Rot in your own hell 😡

























 

OROP : One Rank One Pension: A forgotten promise ? BREAK THROUGH (?) OR BROKEN PROMISES

SOURCE:
http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/national/breakthrough-soon-in-talks-with-government-on-orop-sources/ar-BBm81Og

Breakthrough Soon in Talks With Government on OROP: Sources

                                           BREAK THROUGH  (?)
                                       OR
                       BROKEN PROMISES


One Rank One Pension: A forgotten promise ?  



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBbjbUELy8

 

 

ONE RANK ONE PENSION : A Promise Forgotten? - 1

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUfUYjdIKMU

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ONE RANK ONE PENSION: Forgotten Promise? - 2

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av5IF7lAvP0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Breakthrough Soon in Talks With Government on OROP: Sources  [???   !!!!] 

 

 

The protesters demanding the implementation of the One Rank One Pension Scheme, or OROP, believe that they are about to each a breakthrough in the negotiations with the government, sources said.

 

The government, sources said, is likely to accept the figure of Rs 8,298 crore per year as the basic additional annual payout. The sources also said the protesters believe that the government is coming around to accepting a formula under which the process of equalising salaries can be completed in four years.

The army veterans believe that the government will dispense revised pensions at 2014 rates, sources said.  

 

The talks between the government and the army veterans have been continuing after Tuesday's session remained inconclusive.

 

In their talks with Chief of Army Staff General Dalbir Singh, who had been acting as an intermediary, the protesters had turned down the government's suggestion of implementing the scheme from 2015 instead of 2014, sources told NDTV. This was the key issue on which the talks have been stuck for long.

Sources have told NDTV that a "positive movement" is expected on the issue this week since Prime Minister Narendra Modi is handling the matter.

 

 

There have been speculations that the announcement will be made on August 28, the 50th anniversary of the 1965 war with Pakistan.

 

 

The implementation of the scheme - a promise made by the BJP before last year's general elections -- will give equal pension to servicemen retiring with the same rank regardless of when they retire. At present, a soldier who retired many years ago is paid far less than someone several ranks junior to him retiring now. It is expected to benefit 3 million former soldiers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OROP :Storm Clouds Gathering The OROP Agitation & An Uncaring Democracy

 

                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojHYx3E_s

              


               Storm Clouds Gathering

                   The OROP Agitation

                                    &

                   An Uncaring Democracy

 

                      Brijesh D. Jayal

 

 

 

 

In his treatise, The Art of War, the philosopher and military strategist, Sun Tzu, states,

 

"The art of war is of vital importance to the State. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected."

 

When, in an eventful week, members of both the highest institution of the State - namely, our Parliament - and those who have been the practitioners of the art of war choose to sport black arm bands, one is compelled to fall back on the wisdom of some two thousand years and enquire whether these are symptoms of a State on a road to safety or ruin.

 

A day before this daily published a disturbing front-page report under the heading, "Indian Army's Prisoners of a War Within", this writer was invited to attend a meeting of the Uttarakhand Indian Ex Servicemen's League, in his capacity as one of the patrons. This was with a view to the elders being briefed on the concerns and aspirations of veteran members regarding the ongoing One Rank One Pension agitation across India.

 

The meeting was humbling and left one deeply disturbed. Here were many battle-hardened veterans spanning ranks and ages sharing among them not just battle honours and gallantry awards, but also stirring stories of comradeship in adversity, selflessness, sacrifice and endurance - gathered in a modest room, seated in military orderliness, each donning a black ribbon precisely positioned on their mufti sleeves much like any military patch in their uniformed days.

 

As one listened to their sentiments, an interesting aside that emerged was that many had sons and close family members serving in uniform, some holding senior positions, and all had close friends and acquaintances serving. Hence, an invisible, but strong, link between the serving and veterans was evident with its associated emotional attachments, the existence of which those guiding our democracy and government possibly tend to overlook among their other priorities.

 

To a man, there was a feeling of being badly let down by the political leadership and the bureaucracy not only of the present, but ones that have steered the nation for decades. It was as if all the pent-up humiliation and frustration of close to seven decades of serving free India, whilst being progressively downgraded in the warrant of precedence, upped by the civil services through means more foul than fair, to have been humiliated in a multitude of administrative manoeuvrings and to have been taken for granted as mere gun fodder by the society at large, had at last reached a breaking point.

 

Gullible as they were to the ways of Indian politics, they had swallowed many a promise as being an honourable word and were now smelling the coffee of politics and in a way its debilitating affect on Indian democracy. One could feel with considerable eeriness that while being bitter, there was a sense of calm, as though truth had now dawned. For those who have had the privilege of leading military forces in adversity, it is this sense of quiet calm that often signals a lull before the storm of battle.

 

The report earlier mentioned relates to a major disciplinary breach in 2012 by soldiers of a field artillery regiment in a field area, whilst on a range-firing exercise at Nyoma in Ladakh, and the subsequent disciplinary proceedings, some of which are still at various stages of completion. The disturbing aspect of the news was that the families, speaking for the soldiers, are now alleging that through a conspiracy, a section of the officer cadre had closed ranks to protect their own at the cost of the men they were supposed to lead. Army sources on the other hand claim that proceedings were in line with the law. A subsequent media report mentions that the families now propose to carry their movement to Jantar Mantar, where the Orop movement is entrenched for the second month.

 

To these unfortunate events was added another when a different body of ex-servicemen was forcibly stopped by police from marching to Parliament. Reportedly they were complaining of disparity of pay between officers and other ranks and wanted this redressed even before the question of Orop was considered.

 

What must deeply concern the institutions of the State is the incipient mix of issues, from service discipline and officer-men relationship extending to dishonouring of, and division among, veterans on officer-men lines. Each of these has the potential to hurt the health and morale of both the armed forces and, by extension, the veterans.


But these are not cracks of recent origin and have been deepening for decades. With time and indifference of the society and institutions of governance, they are now taking more complex forms with no surety of where this will ultimately lead our armed forces and, by extension, our valued democracy. Quite apart from this self-inflicted damage, there are today many unconventional ways of waging war on the nation, and there are elements both within and without waiting to exploit every such crack in our system. We cannot let our indifference assist them in their evil designs.

 

The Orop agitation, for one, is an unfortunate one forced on the veterans by an uncaring democracy. It is hard to think of any such parallel instance amongst modern democracies to name just two, the United Kingdom and the United States of America; the former, from whom we have not only modelled our parliamentary system, but also inherited many military traditions, and the latter for being billed as the oldest democracy in comparison to our being the largest.

 

In the UK the armed forces covenant is official policy and sets out the relationship between the nation, the government and the armed forces.

It recognizes that the whole nation has a moral obligation to members of the armed forces and their families, and it establishes how they should expect to be treated.

The covenant exists to redress the disadvantages that the armed forces community may face in comparison to other citizens, and to recognize sacrifices made and it is supported by respective community and corporate covenants.

 

In the US, the department of veterans affairs is a government-run military veteran benefit system with cabinet-level status and its own budget, which for 2016 is $168.8 billion. Poignantly, on Veterans Day in 2013, the US president issued a proclamation, which included among others a preamble that stated, "On Veterans Day, America pauses to honour every service member who has ever worn one of our Nation's uniforms." The proclamation then stated,

"With respect for and in recognition of the contributions our service members have made to the cause of peace and freedom around the world, the Congress has provided that November 11 of each year shall be set aside as a legal public holiday to honour our Nation's veterans."

 
 

These democracies value the sage advice of Sun Tzu and practice it in real governance instead of paying lip service.


 We prefer the latter as the following shows. Although we proudly claim to have set up a department of ex-servicemen's welfare within the ministry of defence, the moral commitment with which it views its mission is reflected on its website, which says "a decision was taken in 1986 to create an independent department to look after the welfare, resettlement and rehabilitation of ex-servicemen and war widows. Accordingly, the department was set up in September 2004."

The irony that it took 18 long years to implement a decision taken in 1986 and that the department is not shy of advertising it, best sums up its moral indifference to the welfare of ex-servicemen. And if proof of this is needed, the secretary of this department in her deposition in 2011 to the parliamentary panel that examined the grant of Orop to the armed forces opposed the grant and implementation of Orop for the Armed Forces.

 

Even as these disturbing events were unfolding, a political battle, this time within the temple of our democracy, the Parliament, was taking place. Here again, some were seen sporting black armbands, although the reasons were far removed from those of veterans. The matter reached an unfortunate climax with the Speaker suspending 25 members for five days and some political leaders dubbing this a "black day in Indian democracy".

 

Had our Parliament found the time to reflect, even fleetingly, on the weekly happenings on the civil- military relations front and responded with a healing sentiment, this one gesture would have conveyed a message to the nation that "the art of war" and by extension, those who practice it, are considered by the temple of our democracy of vital importance to the state.


 By failing to do so the State has orphaned the one institution that must remain the bulwark against any ultimate threat to our nation state, namely our armed forces and by extension to the veterans, since the former are tomorrow's veterans.
 

 

In the present times, the rhetoric of a "black day in Indian democracy" changes with the colour of the political lens and is mercifully far from reality. But a State that fails to see the storm clouds gathering on the horizon of institutions practising the art of war, is blindly moving on a road to ruin and it will not be long before this political rhetoric turns into reality.

 

The author is a retired air marshal of the Indian Air Force 


















 

 

OROP : SOME EXAPLANATORY NOTES ON OROP DGL BY Brig CS Vidyasagar (Retd)

 

OROP : SOME EXAPLANATORY NOTES
                                       ON
                              OROP DGL
                                     BY
                    Brig CS Vidyasagar (Retd)

My Dear Maj Chemmanoor,

1.       Unless we go from fundamentals, we may not understand few issues pertaining to pensions.

2.       Pensionable Service. Some of the officers do not know what is pensionable service. It is like this.

 

(a)   For Ex-NDAs, Direct Entries, Ex-NCC Entries (OTA). It is from date of commission in IMA, Dehradun.

 

(b)   For Tech Graduatess. From date of joining IMA, Dehradun.

 

©     For ACC Entry Officers, SL,RCO andSCO. OR service is also to be counted.

3.   Commissioned Service. It is actual service rendered as an Officer. OR service is not to be counted.

4.      DGL is just a recommendation by the joint service HQs to the Government on OROP. I fully support their argument that the benefit of reduced commissioned service for various time scale ranks i.e.upto Col (TS) is to be given to past retirees i.e. pre – 16 Dec 2004. Otherwise it will amount to violation of Art 14 of Constitution i.e EQUALITY.

5.       Now let me understand and answer your queries.

 

6.       Your Q1.

a)    A Major with 33 years of qualifying service but only 13 and half years of commissioned service will he get the proposed pension of Rs 33206?

 

My Answer. For pensionable service the OR service is also included. Since you did put in 13 year service as an officer if the recommendation of DGL is accepted then  you should consider yourself as Lt Col and get pension applicable for other Lt Cols of 33 year service (including your OR service) i.e. Rs 34,765.

 

7.      Your Q 2.

(b)    Since present serving Officers (after 16 Dec 2004) are Lt Cols  with 13 years of service, are the past pensioners (Majors)  with 13 years service equated with Lt Cols for pension purpose?

         (b)    My Answer. Yes. See my understanding at para 4 above.

 

8.      Your Q 3.

        

(a)   Since future increases in pension are also to be passed over to the existing pensioners, will the 13 years ex-Majors get the increases in pension of the rank of Lt Cols? 

 

MyAnswer. Yes. Pl re – read my earlier paras. Once Govt of India accepts (I doubt very much unless you all go to AFTs and get favourable judgment) all Majs whether pre or post 16 Dec 2004 are Lt Cols then all those officers especially SL, RCOs and SCO with 13 years Commissioned Service (i.e. as an Officer) should get status of Lt Col. So his pension shall  be accordingly fixed. If Min of Def does not which in all probability it will, officers like you must go to AFT to get justice.

 

9.      Your Q 4.

        

(a)   Will a Major retired with more than 30 years of total qualifying  service but less than 13 years of Commissioned Service get Rs 33,206 or in other words will he be equated with Lt Cols? If not what will be his pension?

 

My Answer. No. Because he has not put in 13 years service as an Officer. He will draw pension of a Maj with 30 or more years service

 

10.    Since many officers like you have similar doubts, I am putting this mail in public domain for their benefit. I am sure you will  not object.

 

Regards,

Brig CS Vidyasagar (Retd)

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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Cherunny Chemmanoor <cherunny@gmail.com" target='_blank' rel=external>cherunny@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

I retired during March 1991 in the rank of Major.  I have 33 years of total qualifying service which includes 13.1/2 years  Commissioned service.

I got certain doubts about implementation OROP.  I have gone through the DGL.  Para 9 (n) of draft Govt letter says "The pension of current pensioners for all time bound ranks (i.e. up to the rank of Col and equivalent) will be extended to past pensioners with the same length of Commissioned Service applicable to each rank, if the past pensioners had retired before 16 Dec 2004 before the time period for promotions was reduced.  For this purpose the years of service will only be relevant and the table for the higher rank shall be taken into consideration to determine the pension of such retirees.  In all cases of future changes in the time period for any time bound rank/pay scale, the OROP pension shall include this benefit for all past pensioners only if they become eligible for promotion  had they been still in service.

In view of the above, I have the following doubts to be cleared:-

(a)  A Major with 33 years of qualifying service but only 13 and half years of commissioned service will he get the proposed pension of Rs 33206?

(b)  Since present serving Officers (after 16 Dec 2004) are Lt Cols  with 13 years of service, are the past pensioners (Majors)  with 13 years service equated with Lt Cols for pension purpose?

(c)  Since future increases  in pension are also to be passed over to the existing pensioners, will the 13 years ex-Majors get the increases in pension of the rank of Lt Cols? 

(d)  Will a Major retired with more than 30 years of total qualifying  service but less than 13 years of Commissioned Service get Rs 33206 or in other words will he be equated with Lt Cols? If not what will be his pension?

These are doubts I got after going through the DGL.  Since you are the person who can give a correct interpretation I would request you to give me the above clarifications.

Sorry to bother you in your busy schedule.

With regards,

Major Cherunny Chemmanoor

OROP : " THANK YOU FOR WAY TO PERFORM THE FUNERAL CEREMONY OF INDIAN ARMED FORCES" AN OPEN LETTER TO THE PRIME MINISTER

                 AN OPEN LETTER
                                  TO
         THE PRIME  MINISTER                                





                  AN OPEN LETTER
                                  TO
         THE PRIME  MINISTER                                 By
                    Brig. Chaitanya Prakash, VSM (Retd)

Dear Prime Minister

 It is not so much that NOT implementing your promise on OROP that we mind, so much, as what you and your ungrateful, lying and insensitive government has done to us, the ex and serving soldiers of the Indian Armed Forces.

 

 

 

In a couple of months, you have reduced us, once a proud, chest out, heads held high people with integrity, high self esteem, valour and patriotism to a agitating ‘street walkers’.

 

 

 You have hurt our pride, our self esteem, our honour, our image, our dignity, our patriotism, our sentiments, our status and our ethos – we the soldiers, who have never begged for anything in our life, we the soldiers of the Indian Defence Forces have done our job even when we did not have the basic essentials

 

 – which you and your staff – the Babus- were so reluctant to provide, we fought in high altitudes without clothing and boots.

 

We fought for the honour of our country without ammunition and arms. We fought when wounded and bullet ridden, without medical aid and without critical wherewithal required for fighting.

 

We did not beg you.

 

 

 

We did not ask the managers and leaders of the treasury to give what was our legitimate due, which was stolen by your clan and your kind.

 

 

You and your babus did not even have the sensitivity to pay the dues of the most illustrious and distinguished soldier this country ever produced

– Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw.

  Your B’s  [READ  'BASTARDS ] had the temerity to hand over a cheque for his life time dues, to him at his death bed!!!

  [ PLEASE INFORM YOUR FINANCE MINISTER OF THE   CONCERN  OF BED RIDDEN AGED FIELD MARSHAL WAS???    " I am sure my INCOME TAX arrears have been adjusted before preparing the cheque, if not done please do so now "]


This is the kind of downright ungrateful , low level insensitive, irresponsible and callous, depraved and uncouth mentality of the  people you and your predecessors governments and its permanent incumbent – the Babus - have and the slogan of the ‘minimum government and maximum governance’ is nothing but in fact ‘maximum government and minimum governance’.

Sir, sloganeering is easy. Even we, the soldiers are learning this art. Doing and implementing, keeping promises, requires the different size of chest – 56” or 36” is not what matters. What matters is the heart that is inside the chest, the values and character inside the skin and hide, the values and the ethos that only ONE entity in this world possesses – the soldiers. They deliver more than what they promise. They do what is called running a ‘minimum government with maximum results’. Why go far. Enter any cantonment in the any town. See the difference in the ‘down town’ chaos and dirt, crime and the mismanagement and compare it to the neat, ordered, well run and disciplined cantonment areas.

 But of course you will do nothing of that kind. There is no scope for you and your ilk in the kind of life style and everything wrong that is a must for you all, in it. You will be like a fish out of water and cannot survive the clean, honest, disciplined, life style which requires integrity, sacrifice and character. 

 

 

Thank you Mr. Prime Minister.

 

You have not only reduced us to a streetwalker, but have also taught us how to do sloganeering, agitation and how not to keep our promises and how not to do our duty. You have laid the foundation stone for burying the ethos, the pride and the traditions of the once outstanding and world’s most respected armed forces decay and decline and destruction. 

 

 

Thank you prime minister for bring the soldier out of his barracks. Now all the country needs is to wait for it to see how very dangerous and unforgivable your intransigence may lead to.

 

 

Rest assured none of these, so called advisors and colleagues of your, will come forward to raise one little finger in your defence when the accusing fingers and public opinions will ask for your scalp and shout

 

                                         “Murder”.

 

 

                              Thank you,

 

                 Mr. Prime Minister, for presiding

 

                     over the burial ceremony

 

                   of the Indian defence forces.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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