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Brig Narinder Dhand

Oct 8 (16 hours ago)

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PENSION: UNDISCLOSED PENSION BILL OF DEFENCE CIVILIANS AND ALL INDIA SERVICES PERSONNEL

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PENSION: UNDISCLOSED PENSION BILL OF DEFENCE CIVILIANS AND ALL INDIA SERVICES

I am surprised that data about All India Services and Defence Civilian pensioners has not been made public, giving me the impression it is being deliberately suppressed. Contrary to published notation and public understanding, the personnel who garner the biggest slice of the Armed Forces Pension Budget are Defence Civilians, NOT the Armed Forces in Uniform, the men who put life before Country, the now-reviled Ex-Servicemen (ESM). 

These Defence Civilians (Def Civ) are keeping a low profile, suppressing their amusement at the world at large being misled, while the retired soldier or war widow is being pilloried by the public and the media both of whom are blissfully ignorant of ground realities. That said, I’d like to submit a few facts for your consideration, wherein I have included bureaucrats’ (babus’) pensions as well.

UNION BUDGET : PENSIONS

1.     Total Pension Allocation FY 2015-16: Rs. 88,000 cr.

2.     Breakdown (in Rs.):

·         Armed Forces (AF)                                                                                  54,500 cr.

o    Armed Forces in Uniform or Ex Servicemen (ESM)+ Widows    33,000 cr.

o    Def Civ                                                                                                            21,500 cr.

·         All India Services*                                                                    33,500 cr.

* All India Services is comprised of the Indian Administrative Service (IAS), the Indian Forest Service (IFoS), the Indian Police Service (IPS), the Indian Revenue Service (IRS), the Indian Service of Engineers (Irrigation, Power, Buildings and Roads), the Indian Medical & Health Service and other services added after 2008. The Indian Foreign Service, though not part of the AIS, draws Apex grade Pensions at par with the IAS.

The total strength of  HIGH CASTE BABU pensioners, all-inclusive, is 2.95 lakh (2,95,356), for whom Rs. 33,500 crore is reserved, 

i.e., a Dearness Allowance adjusted pension of Rs. 33,500 cr./295400 = Rs. 11.27 Lakh pa or Rs 93,930 PER MONTH. 

This is the median pension, biased towards high figures due to the apex salaries babus command through non-functional upgrades (NFU) when in active service.

1.     Categories

o    Def Civ, superannuating at age 60            100%

o    AF personnel superannuating at 60          0.00147% (93 3-star offrs out of 63,200)

o    AIS   personnel superannuating at 60         100%

1.     Pension Payments in Rupees

o    Armed Forces ESM              33,000 Cr., i.e.  37.5%

o    AIS + Def Civ                          33,500 Cr 

(38.1%) + 21,500 Cr (24.4%) = 56,000 cr. i.e., 62.5%

1.     Average (Median) Per Capita Pension Today

o    ESM+ Widows:  (1,767,390 ESM + 60,000 widows including war widows=18,27,390)          

Pension Rs. 33,000 Cr. / = Rs. 1,80,585/ year or Rs. 15, 050 per month.

o    Def Civ: Rs. 21,500 Cr. / 5.32 lakh = 4,04,135. 00 / year or Rs. 33,680 per month.

o    AIS: Rs. 11.27 Lakh pa or Rs 93,930 PER MONTH. That’s right, Rs. 93,930 per month.

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                                        &

 FINANCE MINISTER IS A CO - CONSPIRATOR

1.     All India Services (AIS) personnel drawing pension total only 2.95 lakhs and gorge on the largest proportion of the Indian taxpayers’ money, a humongous Rs. 33,500 cr. pa, 

                                       whereas 

18.28 lakh ESM, 6.2 times the strength of AIS pensioners, draw a lower figure, Rs. 33,000 cr. as Pension. Where is the comparison? The bureaucrats have house trained their ministers, one and all.

I think the Indian public needs to know about these figures.  

ESM and widows, including war widows, make a combined total of 17.67 lakh entities. Out of the estimated outgo due OROP of Rs. 8,400 crore, about Rs 6,200 crore will be for Widows, JCOs, NCOs, and other ranks, and about 2,200 crore for Officers.

The pension payouts pre OROP vary from an unbelievable Rs. 94,000 PER MONTH for the AIS to Rs. 15,050 per month for the ESM, with the Def Civ happy at more than twice the ESM’s pension.                                                    

                                             

The pensions will rise by the following figures post OROP:

1.     AIS                                                                                         Not notified (Wait for 7th Pay Commission)

2.     Def Civ                                                                          Not notified (---------do-------------------------)

3.     ESM (Widows, JCOs, NCOs)                                         Rs. 40,800 per year or Rs. 3,400 pm

4.     ESM (Offrs)   

   Rs. 88,900 per year or Rs.7,410 pm                                                  

     BASTARDLY REASONS TO DENY 

                          "OROP"                                               

The fight  AGAINST  OROP is based on some of the counts listed below. There are many more.

1.     Free Rations.

2.     CSD facilities.

3.     Guaranteed accommodation in Delhi in 6-9 months, whereas civilians have to wait 25 years.

4.     Access to transport.

5.     Leave periods: 82 days for officers, 92 days for non-officers.

6.     Free warrants and D-Forms.

7.     CH/MH + free medical facilities for dependent families and parents.

8.     ECHS, a cashless facility and huge boon to ESM.

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OROP : Voice of ESM Society met Defence Minister on 6th OCT 2015

SOURCE :http://www.gconnect.in/defence-services/voice-of-esm-society-met-defence-minister-on-6th.html?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzEmail&utm_content=408382&utm_campaign=0





 Voice of ESM Society met Defence Minister
                                    on
                         6th OCT 2015

Voice of ESM Society met Defence Minister on 6th – Minster responded that the same will be part of 7th Pay commission, where as our stand was to treat it as part of 6th Pay commission – Our Stand is the we will explore both legal and agitational modes to fight for our right.

Voice of ex-servicemen society team met Hon. Defence Minister, Mr.Manohar Parrikar and the following are the discussions and responses :

• We raised the issue of VRS and sought clarification – Minister clarified that the issue was not never related to Jawan JCOs, it pertains to officers only.
• On revision of of Pension every 5 Years, Minister explained that Army has agreed for the same in writing so there is no change possible.
• We raised issues of group wise segregation of pension for Jawans, which is not paret of the definition of OROP as passed by parliament. In our argument, we brought out that Officers both technical and non technical get same pension, why discriminate for jawans – Minister said that other officer organisation accepted this division of Group X and Y. Also it would further cost 600 cr. to club them together. Hence not possible to club them at this point. – Our response is we will continue and intensify our fight.
• We raised equal MSP and 75% pension issues – Minster responded that the same will be part of 7th Pay commission, where as our stand was to treat it as part of 6th Pay commission – Our Stand is the we will explore both legal and agitational modes to fight for our right.
• Various other discrimination issues: We raised other discrimination issues like sevadari system, CSD and Reservations for officers in all DGR posts.- Minister responded that we can have more detailed meeting on these issues at a future date.

Over all, Voice of ESM Society, considers this meeting as path breaking and a giant step towards elimination of discrimination. Though no immediate results neither expected nor assured – we believe this progress will take Jawan JCO issues to fore front and policy makers ‘ agenda.

Kindly note that in a reliable video I learnt that it was Def Min who made the noting that other Paramilitarypersonnel could ask ‘OROP’ in the file sent to PM.

It is evident that COAS and Def Min are not innocent as made out to be.

We need to get the notification on OROP and file a writ in SC for all deficiencies in it.

With best regards,
(signed)
PS Nath
Naval Veteran
(Lt Cdr PS Nath, Hyderabad)

Source (Extract, NO change made in the text): Ex-Servicemen Welfare  

OROP : AAJ KI TAAJA KHABAR - आज की ताजा खब्बर

08  OCTOBER  2015

'Vinod Gandhi' via IESM_Group <iesm_group@googlegroups.com>	10:28 AM (9 hours ago)
to IESM

Dear Veterans

Are you not amused with behavior of some of veterans whose main task is only bashing of UFESM/IESM, Col Inderjit Singh, Gen Satbir and Gp Capt Gandhi? I wish they do some constructive work for Ex-servicemen rather than cribbing about the work done by IESM/UFESM.

UFESM has been organizing RHS under the chairmanship of Col Inderjit singh, father of OROP, since last 115 days. It is for information of all that ESM are coming from 21 states of India to sit on RHS and show their solidarity and confidence in leadership of Col Inderjit Singh, Gen Satbir Singh and GB members of IESM. ESM wives, children have been volunteering to sit on RHS. 15 ESM had even observed indefinite hunger strike for approval of full OROP as per definition. These are all heroes whose name will go in history that they fought for OROP and welfare of ESM. UFESM is providing admin support for the agitation and its office bearers are leading by example that includes Col Inderjit Singh, Gen Satbir singh, GB members and other volunteers.

Somebody has to be really naive to think that ESM have been contributing funds without knowing the truth of the agitation and standing of the organizers. NDA courses and regiments have been visiting JM in support of RHS to boost their morale and are contributing with open heart into IESM account to offset expenditure being incurred for agitation at JM. One can understand the frustration of few ESM who have gone to the extent of extreme lies and announced that new cars are being purchased from the contribution of ESM. Their only intention is to show their crab mentality and to pull down those who are working for welfare of ESM family. The funds contributed at JM are properly recorded and accounted for . These will be put up for scrutiny of members and are available at JM for any veteran to examine. No new car has been purchased by any member of IESM/UFESM. This is the product of malicious brainwave of some ESM who were never permitted to join IESM. These ESM have put even Goebble to shame with their lies. It is surprising that even some ESM who were instrumental in getting IESM bank account blocked have also joined this group to defame the agitation at JM. Everyone will understand that the hidden agenda was to deprive the organizers of funds with ultimate aim of failure of the agitation.

 Even today Col Inderjit Singh and IESM have not permitted these ESM to be part of UFESM. One wonders as to what is aim of these ESM, are they interested in OROP for all or are they ready to sell welfare of ESM to gain some favors and popularity with Govt?  

It is for information of all that OROP agitation is being run by AIEWA, AIVA and IESM and its associate association in India. UFESM is thankful to these associations and their leaders for helping us whole heartedly to run the agitation and to put pressure on Govt. 

This agitation is running at JM for last 115 days under the flag of UFESM with the blessing of Chairman Col Inderjit Singh, Gen Satbir Singh and GB members of IESM and AIVA members. No group R no group has the right to claim ownership of UFESM, especially those who have never participated in this agitation. Col Inderjit Singh and Gen Satbir Singh are the undisputed leaders of UFESM and agitation at JM. 

Nobody can hide the truth. Truth will always shine like sun above darkness of lies.

OROP has been announced on 5 Sep 15 by RM in presence of three Chiefs. Govt is calling it full OROP to mislead the nation. Big advertisements in leading newspapers have also been placed by Govt. This is the way to control media houses!! Whereas the fact is that the announced OROP has seven serious anomalies and if it is implemented in its present form, it will dilute the definition of OROP and hence it cannot be called OROP. It will be only one time increase which MOD had been giving in past and calling it OROP. Let us not get mislead with this announcement. This is not OROP and our struggle for OROP at JM will continue and will be intensified. We will approach SC if required. 

You are all aware that SC bar association and Sh Ram Jethamalani have agreed to fight our case pro bono.

RM has announced in Goa that OROP letter may be issued before Navratri. First navratra starts on 13 Oct 15, hence some news may come by 10 Oct just before first round of Bihar poll starting on 12 Oct 15.

Gentlemen if we get full OROP it will be good for all. 

But if Govt issues a GL which will dilute definition of OROP, it will not be acceptable to veterans. It will need to be fought strongly at JM and Courts. UFESM requests for your total support in this fight for justice and Izzat.

This peace had to be written to counter the malicious campaign of few disgruntled ESM.

  

Regards

Gp Capt VK Gandhi VSM
Gen Sec IESM and convener UFESM

Flat no 801, Tower N5

Narmada Apartments

Pocket D6 

Vasant Kunj

Nelson Mandela Marg
New Delhi. 110070
Mobile   09810541222

OROP is our right. Dilution in OROP will                       NOT be accepted.

IF YOU SEE SOMEONE WITHOUT A SMILE GIVE HIM ONE OF YOURS.

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Dear all,

1. This is to apprise you that UFESM was formed on 6/6/15 & was dissolved by the house on 9/9/15, unanimously. Gen Satbir never participated in it & was expelled from UFESM before dissolving. But he is still misusing the Name of UFESM & also Collecting funds for it.

2. Col Nain had applied to get the UFESM Regd by then, so he claimed its ownership & reorg UFESM immediately wef 9/9/15. UFESM under Col Nain held its 1st mtg on 21/9/15, with full house 44 ESM Org at Delhi.

3. This for the info & needful advise please. Gen Satbir gp must avoid misusing UFESM name banners & stop activities under this name immediately, please.

4. Regarding depositing Medals, we do not agree with it. Rather, we are likely to request Govt to return our medals once OROP issue is settled.  

Rgds.

Col Sohi. 9815107744.Mohali

Member UFESM. 

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From: Brig Opinder Singh <opikspm@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:07 PM
Subject: Fw: Fwd: [IESM_Group:1165] Fwd: NEWS ITEM EX-SERVICEMEN PLAN TO RETURN MEDALS TO PM
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From: Satbir <satbirsm@gmail.com>

Dated: 07 Oct 2015

UNITED FRONT OF EX -SERVICEMEN                             

NEWS ITEM

EX-SERVICEMEN PLAN TO RETURN MEDALS TO PM

Dear Friends,

          News item regarding Ex-Servicemen Plan to Return Medals to PM published in “The Hindu” dated 07 Oct 2015  is enclosed herewith for your information and wisest circulation please.

With Regards,   

Yours Sincerely,

Maj Gen Satbir Singh, SM (Retd)                                                                                   

Advisor United Front of Ex Servicemen & Chairman IESM                                                                                                                      

Mobile: 9312404269, 0124-4110570                                  

Email:satbirsm@gmail.com          

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