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Sunday, April 17, 2016

NUKES : ON THE PATH TO THE DIRTY ISLAMIC BOMB





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                              " DIRTY BOMB"



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                         DEFINITION OF A TERRORIST


                          ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
                                                    
                                                       BUT
                         
                        ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS.
                                                      REST
                             ALL OTHERS WHO CARRY OUT
              TERRORIST LIKE ACTIVITIES ARE GANGSTERS

                                                              -  HISTORY SPAKE THUS





SOURCE
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/PreventingNuclearTerrorism-Web.pdf



                                   NUKES :  ON THE PATH
                                        TO 
               THE DIRTY ISLAMIC  BOMB

What if a dirty bomb hit London?





A dirty bomb explosion would cause chaos

 
It wouldn't take much for terrorists to wreak havoc in London - just a simple explosive and some industrial waste. Such is the gruesome reality of the dirty bomb.



People wearing protective suits and gas masks











Fears of a terrorist attack on the UK by Islamic extremists are running at an all-time high.

The discovery of the deadly poison ricin in a London flat has heightened concerns and recently Tony Blair said it was not a case of "if" but "when".

"We'd have contaminated air moving across London with no indication it's there "

Graham Smith, Enviros


One frightening possibility is the so-called dirty bomb - a crudely-made device that combines a simple explosive with any radioactive material. The idea is that the blast disperses the radioactive material willy nilly.

The dirty bomb is perhaps the least understood of all terror weapons, but new research by BBC Two's Horizon programme brings home the full horror of how a dirty bomb attack might affect London.

 
The dirty bomb is sometimes called the "poor man's nuclear weapon". But whereas the aim of a nuclear bomb is instant and outright destruction, a dirty bomb would have an entirely different effect.


It would wreak panic in built-up areas, see large areas contaminated and closed off and result in long-term illnesses such as cancer, caused by the dispersed radioactive material attacking living cells.

Using sophisticated modelling, experts commissioned by Horizon constructed a scenario around a radioactive material called caesium chloride, which in the old Soviet Union was used in seed irradiating.

Much of this and other radioactive material used by the Soviets is now unaccounted for. No one knows whether it has fallen into unsafe hands




Particles disperse


Experts working for Enviros, a consultancy that advises nuclear authorities around the world, modelled a fictional explosion combining a handful of caesium chloride - equivalent to the contents of one Soviet seed irradiating machine - with 10lbs of explosive.

JOSE PADILLA
Arrested in May 2002 at Chicago airport in the US
Also known as Abdullah al-Mujahir, he is accused of planning a dirty bomb attack on America
He has been called an al-Qaeda operative
They then "placed" the fictional bomb in Trafalgar Square.

The blast itself might kill 10 people immediately. As the emergency services arrived at the scene of the incident a few minutes later, they would realise this was no ordinary blast.

"The simple buoyancy of the air that's been heated may carry the radioactive material tens of metres up into the air," says Graham Smith, of Enviros.

Almost immediately, millions of tiny flakes of caesium chloride would be floating in the breeze over London. In seconds, depending on the direction of the wind, the plume could reach Whitehall. A minute later Charing Cross, then the City and within half an hour radioactive smoke could reach London's suburbs - 10 kilometres away.

"We've got contaminated air moving across London and there would be no indication that contamination was there," says Mr Smith.

Cancer Time Bomb


  Click to read "GOIANIA DISASTER" [  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident ]

As the air began to cool, the particles would fall on people who are completely unaware of the danger around them. They would settle on parks, gardens, pavements and cars.

A TV reconstruction of the Goiania disaster
A TV reconstruction of the Goiania disaster
The worry then is of a cancer time bomb. Every day we are exposed to natural radiation, and in low doses this background level is harmless.

Anyone five km from the blast would face only a tiny increased risk of cancer - one in 1,000 - as the background level would be largely unaffected.



But at one km, radiation doses would rise to six times background level, increasing the risk of cancer by about one in 100. At 500 metres downwind from the blast, the risk of dying of cancer from this radiation exposure would be about one in 50 and at 200 m radiation levels would be 80 times background level, equating to a one in seven increased risk of dying of the disease.





 

 
The next challenge would be to deal with the contaminated parts of central London. Any clean-up job would be immense and costly, but left undisturbed the particles could remain harmful for 200 years.

Police cordon
Swathes of the city could be cordoned off
One option might be to abandon or demolish parts of the city.
But perhaps the biggest immediate threat wrought by a dirty bomb is not the destruction or the threat to life, but its ability to stir blind panic among thousands, maybe millions, of people.
A leak of caesium chloride in the city of Goiania, southern Brazil, in 1987 contaminated 200 people. The experience gives a useful template for how other cities might cope.

When news of an attack breaks, there will be a clamour for information and help. People will want to know the extent of contamination, but it can be hard to supply answers.
In the Brazil example, medical services were swamped as a tenth of the city's population queued for radiation screening.

It is the dirty bomb's power to spread fear and spawn chaos that makes it a really effective weapon.

Horizon - Dirty Bomb was on BBC Two on Thursday 30 January at 2100 GMT.







Nuclear security: Continuous improvement

                                      or 

                     dangerous decline?

                                       By

Matthew BunnMartin B. MalinNickolas RothWilliam Tobey
  
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http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/PreventingNuclearTerrorism-Web.pdf






                    ISIS's Hunt for WMDs:
 Navigating the Nuclear Underworld with
                           C.J. Chivers

                       Center for Strategic & International Studies
                     

                                    [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ScJW3w0PY ]



Published on Feb 9, 2016
 
The Project on Nuclear Issues (PONI) is pleased to invite you to a discussion with C.J. Chivers on nuclear smuggling in the Middle East. Chivers, a former marine and Pulitzer Prize-winning investigator with the New York Times, has reported from the front lines of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and more, analyzing conflicts and the weapons that fuel them. One of Chivers' recent features, "The Doomsday Scam," revealed how ISIS and other terrorist groups have pursued a fictional weapon-making substance known as red mercury. Chivers, who has been called "the greatest war reporter in a generation," will share his unique insight about the possibilitiy of terrorist groups obtaining nuclear materials, where they could be bought, and how the international community should respond if a terrorist group were to acquire nuclear material, or some other weapon of mass destruction. The discussion will be moderated by Rebecca Hersman, Director, Project on Nuclear Issues, and Senior Adviser, International Security Program, CSIS







        ISIS Plans to Unleash Nuclear Terrorism
                                 on U.S. soil

 
Published on Apr 12, 2016
 
ISIS terrorism,nuclear terrorism,Brussels,dirty bombs,open borders,democrats,geopolitics,meltdown

Heed this warning! ISIS terrorists are now targeting nuclear facilities in the USA and across Europe, and they hope to unleash massive nuclear terrorism by forcing power plants into criticality events (meltdowns).

Because of this, the open borders policies of liberal politicians in America and the EU amounts to nothing less than NATIONAL SUICIDE.

By allowing ISIS terrorists to walk right into the USA via the totally unprotected southern border, lunatic liberals are creating ready opportunities for terrorists to strike any one of America's hundreds of nuclear power plants, potentially forcing them into nuclear fuel meltdowns that could snowball into devastating radiation poisoning for huge regions of the nation (including many liberal cities).


                                [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeGVUeeCK5M ]








                         The Dirty Bomb:
       Is India Safe From The Nuclear Threat




                                     [  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW3j2uDRDBg ]




Published on Apr 16, 2016
 
United State Of America's President Barack Obama describes the possibility of terrorists getting their hands on the dirty bomb as the greatest threat the world faces at this time. The worlds intelligence agencies believe that ISIS is working very aggressively towards acquiring a dirty bomb. How real is the threat? and how safe is India's nuclear installations. Listen in.
ISIS plans to unleash nuclear terrorism on U.S. soil

 

 
 
 
                     Threat Of Nuclear Terror Revolves                               Around India
 




                  MOTHER OF GLOBAL TERRORISM

                     PAKISTANI COUPLES
HAVE ONLY ONE NATIONAL PASS TIME
                TO CONCEIVE TERROR
              IS NATIONAL OBLIGATION
 

High risk of theft of Pakistan nuclear weapons: US report

Pakistan has the world’s fastest-growing nuclear arsenal, and is shifting toward tactical nuclear weapons, says US report





By: PTI | Washington | Published:March 22, 2016 10:22 am

shaheed 2 missile, pakistan missile, indo-pak


A Pakistani Shaheen II missile is displayed during the Pakistan National Day parade in Islamabad, Pakistan (Source: AP Photo)



 
With Pakistan moving towards tactical nuclear weapons, there is an increasingly higher risk of nuclear theft, a US think-tank report has warned ahead of the Nuclear Security Summit here later this month.

“Overall, the risk of nuclear theft in Pakistan appears to be high,” said the report ‘Preventing Nuclear Terrorism: Continuous Improvement or Dangerous Decline?’ released by the prestigious Harvard Kennedy School.
 



“The trend seems to be toward increasing risk, as Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal expands and shifts toward tactical nuclear weapons, while adversary capabilities remain extremely high,” it said.

Over the longer term, the possibilities of state collapse or extremist takeover cannot be entirely ruled out, though the near-term probability of such events appears to be low.

The report from the Harvard Kennedy School comes a week after a top American diplomat had raised a similar concern.

“We’ve been very concerned about Pakistan’s deployment of battlefield nuclear weapons,” US Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, Rise E Gottemoeller told members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during a Congressional hearing on Thursday.



Battlefield nuclear weapons, by their very nature, pose security threat because you’re taking battlefield nuclear weapons out to the field where, as, you know, as a necessity, they cannot be made as secure,” Gottemoeller had said.



In Pakistan, a modest but rapidly growing nuclear stockpile, with substantial security measures, must be protected against some of the world’s most capable terrorist groups, in an environment of widespread corruption and extremist sympathies, said the Harvard Kennedy School.

By some estimates, the Strategic Plans Division, which manages Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, has 25,000 troops available to guard Pakistani nuclear stocks and facilities.


Pakistani officials report that sites are equipped with extensive barriers and detection systems, that the components of nuclear weapons are stored separately (though that may be changing as Pakistan moves toward tactical nuclear weapons intended to be rapidly deployed to the field), and that the weapons are equipped with locks to prevent unauthorised use.


It said there are negative trends, which may be related to the absence of recent US expressions of confidence.

“Pakistan has the world’s fastest-growing nuclear arsenal, and is shifting toward tactical nuclear weapons intended to be dispersed to front-line forces early in a crisis, increasing the risks of nuclear theft in such a crisis,” it said.

“This increase in numbers of weapons is probably leading to an increase in numbers of locations as well,” it said, adding that terrorist groups continue to demonstrate that they are willing and able to launch complex, well-coordinated attacks on heavily-defended military targets within Pakistan.



Related Article


 

http://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/print/continued-instability-in-pak-poses-threat-to-its-nweapons-report/

India, Pakistan expanding nuclear arsenal despite global trend in disarmament: Report

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/chinese-takeaway-10/

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/indian-nuclear-facilities-face-insider-threats-us-report/

http://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/print/india-pak-developing-new-systems-for-delivering-nukes-sipri/























 

Monday, March 30, 2015

Safety And Security Of Pakistan’s Nuclear Installations

Source:
http://www.eurasiareview.com/29032015-safety-and-security-of-pakistans-nuclear-installations-oped/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+eurasiareview%2FVsnE+%28Eurasia+Review%29













Pakistan
Pakistan





                     Safety And Security
                                    Of
              Pakistan’s Nuclear Installations
                                   By
                    Sidra Ajaib Kayani*



Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine is primarily based on the policy of ambiguity. There are different speculations regarding the exact number of its nuclear weapons however the accurate number is yet unknown.


By and large it is assessed that Pakistan could have 90 to 120 nuclear warheads. Along with the numbers debate, numerous steps have been taken to secure weapons and other related assets. Pakistan does follow strict rules and regulations for the foolproof security of its nuclear weapons and a number of initiatives have been taken in this regard. The weapons are apparently kept separate from their delivery systems just to minimize chances of any catastrophe.


Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s former President affirmed that Pakistan warheads and missiles are not ready to fire with a button in hand. The concerns regarding the accidental launch of nuclear weapon are also addressed by attaching nuclear warheads with a code-lock device ‘Adaptation of Permissive Action Links’ (PALs). By doing this any nuclear lunched decision is not plausible unless of two or three man decision. Such a strict procedure shows Pakistan’s maturity and competence in keeping nuclear weapons safe.


Measures have also been taken to secure fissile material under the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) net. Indeed, there has not been a single incident reported regarding the mishandling or mismanagement of fissile material produced within Pakistan. There is also a tight security of nuclear facilities with highly trained personnel and electronic devices. Like advanced nuclear weapons states, Pakistan has also taken strong measures to make its fissile material security perfect.


‘SPD conducts external audits on all nuclear inventories inside the country. SPD also launches regular and surprise inspections to the nuclear facilities to check and confirm its control and accounting of fissile material’. SPD is also accountable for the physical protection of nuclear facilities. Under the Inner perimeter security and outer perimeter security, protection of facilities has been ensured. Pakistan also ratified the Convention on the Physical Protection of Nuclear Materials (CPPNM) in October 2000 and all transportation of its sensitive nuclear materials comes under the guidelines of this convention.


Four of Pakistan’s nuclear facilities, KANUPP, the Pakistan Atomic Research Reactors I and II at Rawalpindi and Chasma-1 power reactor are working under the safeguards of the IAEA. Other non-attached facilities also bind themselves with strict safeguards procedures of the IAEA.


Pakistan has taken all the necessary measures to affirm the secured transportation of fissile material. As fissile material is highly radioactive in nature especially when it is burnt out in nuclear reactors, so on that stage transportation of that material becomes very risky. As far as the transportation of fissile material in Pakistan is concerned, most of the nuclear reactors and reprocessing units are at the same places which eradicate probability of any mishap. Pakistan follows international norms of transporting such material.


As in the USA, Pakistan also follows a Personnel Reliability Program. This program deals with personnel screening and clearance, for who works in nuclear facilities, strategic organizations and other related installation.


In western discourse a concern that is often expressed regarding the security of Pakistan nukes is that, terrorists may attack or get hold of its nuclear installations. However, a factual assessment reveals clearly that not a single terrorist attack or other related incident has been recorded. The initiatives taken by Pakistan to prove its nuclear security foolproof shows its strong commitment, and capability also ensures its credibility for the world. No one should remain under the illusion that terrorists could attack Pakistan’s nuclear installations. To attack the GHQ and the Mehran Navel Base located in congested cities like Rawalpindi and Karachi is different than attacking Pakistan’s nukes that are scattered and under multi-layered command and control systems.


*Sidra Ajaib Kayani as a research associate works for Strategic Vision Institute Islamabad, also can be reached at sidrakayani.svi@gmail.com.



























Thursday, October 9, 2014

FAILED ISLAMIC TERRORISTS PLAN WAS TO NUKE AMERICAN AIR-CRAFT CARRIER IN ARABIAN SEA

Source:
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/09/aqis_claims_failed_p.php








       FAILED ISLAMIC  TERRORISTS  PLAN

                          WAS TO NUKE

       AMERICAN AIR-CRAFT CARRIER

                                    IN



                         ARABIAN SEA



    AQIS claims plot to strike US Warships was           Executed by Pakistani Navy officers

                                      By

 

 

 

      



Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent (AQIS) claimed that Pakistani Navy officers were involved in the failed attempt to hijack a Pakistani warship and launch missiles at US Navy vessels in the Indian Ocean.

 
AQIS' spokesman, Usama Mahmoud, made the claim today in a statement released on his Twitter account. Mahmoud's statement was obtained by the SITE Intelligence Group.


Mahmoud had previously claimed on Sept. 13 that AQIS executed the attack on the Pakistani warship, and published a diagram purporting to show the layout of the PNS Zulfiqar. He said that the attackers had planned to take control of the PNS Zulfiqar and launch missiles at US warships in the Indian Ocean. The PNS Zulfiqar carries at least eight C-802 surface to surface anti-ship missiles.

[See LWJ report, Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent claims 2 attacks in Pakistan.]


In today's statement, Mahmoud accuses the Pakistani military and media outlets of attempting "to deliberately cover up the truth of this operation and the nature of its objectives," according to SITE.

"In an obvious attempt to deceive the world, the official spokesmen for the army and navy portrayed the attack as targeting the Pakistani Navy alone, and its arsenal in the city of Karachi in particular."
But Mahmoud says the "true objective of the operation ... is the American naval fleet that is stationed in the Indian Ocean."


The AQIS spokesman denied that the Sept. 6 assault on the PNS Zulfiqar at the naval base in Karachi was carried out by "intruders," and instead said that Pakistani naval "officers" executed the attack.


"The official Pakistani story alleged that the attackers were merely a group of intruders that breached a military institution of the Pakistani Navy, and broke in from outside," Mahmoud says. "However, all the participants in this fearless operation were officers serving in the ranks of the Pakistani Navy."
The naval officers, Mahmoud claims, "responded to the appeal of the scholars and jihad and joined the ranks of the mujahideen."


Mahmoud described the officers' involvement in the attack as a "rebellion" and not just an attempt to strike at the US.

"Therefore, this operation does not represent an attack on the Americans alone, but it is a rebellion against the Pakistani Navy by its own elements, striking the policy of humiliation and subjugation to America, which the Satanic alliance - represented in the Americanized generals, selfish politicians, and corrupt government employees - imposes," Mahmoud says.


Mahmoud goes on to explain AQIS' "reasons for targeting America." The reasons are standard for al Qaeda, and include the US' perceived war on Islam, and America's support for Israel, Muslim countries, and "secular movements."


The US Navy was chosen as a target because "through its naval military superiority, America is able to control ours straits, our channels, and our waters, and loot the fortunes of our Ummah [Muslim community]," Mahmoud says.




Reports of collusion within Pakistani Navy


While Mahmoud's claim that Pakistani naval officers executed the attack on the PNS Zulfiqar cannot be proven, Pakistani officials and press reports indicate that at least some of the attackers are members of the Pakistani military.


Khawaja Asif, Pakistan's Defense Minister, said that "some of the navy staff of commissioned ranks and some outsiders" were involved in the attack, according to Dawn.


The Nation reported that a former naval officer known as Awais Jakhrani was killed during the attack. Jakhrani, the son of a Karachi Police Assistant Inspector General, had "links with [a] banned organization."


Additionally, three "Navy officials" were arrested in Quetta in Baluchistan while trying to flee to Afghanistan.


Pakistan's Navy has long been thought to be infiltrated by al Qaeda. In late May 2011, Pakistani journalist Syed Saleem Shahzad wrote an article in the Asia Times on the jihadist attack on Pakistan Naval Base Mehran in Karachi. That attack was carried out by Brigade 313, a unit led by al Qaeda and Harakat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami leader Ilyas Kashmiri. In his article, Shahzad noted that Pakistani officials had begun investigating jihadist "groupings" within the Navy in the spring of 2011 and discovered a "sizeable al Qaeda infiltration within the navy's ranks."


After military officials detained and interrogated suspected jihadist infiltrators, al Qaeda threatened to launch attacks against military bases. The Pakistani military opened negotiations with al Qaeda, which ultimately failed. Then Osama bin Laden was killed by US forces in Abbottabad on May 1, 2011. Al Qaeda and allied Pakistani jihadists decided to take revenge, obtaining detailed information on Mehran from their Navy infiltrators.


"Within a week, insiders at PNS Mehran provided maps, pictures of different exit and entry routes taken in daylight and at night, the location of hangers and details of likely reaction from external security forces," Shahzad wrote.


Shahzad's article, which was published on May 27, 2011, is widely believed to have resulted in his murder at the hands of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate. He was kidnapped and murdered just two days after it was published.


 
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READER COMMENTS:

 "AQIS claims plot to strike US warships was executed by Pakistani Navy officers"



Posted by Eric at September 18, 2014 3:59 AM ET:

Was PNS Zulfiqar seaworthy?

Last information I can find, she was anchored off Karachi in 2011, was mistaken for an Indian missile boat, and then attacked by PAF F-16's. Strafed with hundreds of rounds of gunfire, she was in an serviceable condition when she was towed to the PNS dockyard, where Zulfiqar has sat ever since, awaiting, but not yet completing, repairs. A ship in such a condition would not normally retain its ordnance on-board. Weapons would be off-loaded and stored in shore magazine bunkers. Like wise the ready-for-sea condition would be significantly relaxed.

If that is, in fact, Zulfiqar's true status, then even a full PN crew could not have gotten the ship underway. The C-802 variant of the Ying 8 surface to surface anti-ship missile has an effective range of 75 miles. US Warships operating in the N Arabian Sea are typically hundreds of sea miles away and need to be detected and tracked by PNS Zulfiqar's ship-based fire control radar in order to provide a targeting solution to the missiles before they are fired. The Ying 802 is programmed to evade enemy radar by flying under 25 feet above the sea surface on its approach to the target. As such, its own radar is incapable of searching and acquiring its own target over-the-horizon, hence PNS Zulfiqar would need to get underway to pursue, detect, track, and assign a US Navy ship to the missile, if the missiles were even kept on-board. If the ship were even repaired from 3 years ago.

What I labor to point out is that Mahmoud is taking his pick of what propaganda value he intends to extract from this incident, while the Pak Navy is silent on the seaworthiness and weapons handling status of the ship that was attacked, for obvious security reasons. Whereas the real likelihood of success for al-Qaeda was less than or equal to Zero. Even to concede all of the above were possible, there was no trained crew standing by to operate any of the technical equipment related to targeting and attacking another vessel with a Sf-Sf missile.


Posted by JRP at September 18, 2014 9:01 AM ET:
 
Shows how consistently imaginative is the enemy. The U.S. has to be particularly alert during Fleet Week visits; Port-of-Call visits; and Libety visits to U.S. shores by ships of nations that harbor (no pun intended) radicals intent on hitting at U.S. interests.



Posted by pre-Boomer Marine brat at September 18, 2014 9:40 AM ET:
 
Thanks for pointing out Shahzad's article and murder. It's very pertinent.
And it just occured to me to wonder, might this have been Ayman al-Zawahiri's "9/11 Reprise".

If they had pulled it off, it could have been a major propaganda coup in the Recruitment Wars with ISIS.


Posted by port_blair at September 18, 2014 9:46 AM ET:

Okay looks like longwarjournal has been censoring me.

Pakistan army is after all a mercenery force.

The average Pakistani

Ashfaq is totally ignorant and he thinks about his closeness
to the middle east rather than South Asia. This would have
another green on blue attack of epic proportions.

I contend that the US Navy should completely stop any ships
from going to Karachi or any ports in Pakistan.

No US Navy commander should not unaware of the risks in Pakistan. One day I contend that the US Navy will be forced to attack Karachi with the legendary 14 inch naval guns and ensure
it cannot be used for a centuries- a dirty nuke on Karachi will solve the problem permanently.


Posted by Arjuna at September 18, 2014 10:23 AM ET:
 
It just gets worse and worse. Two teams, one in a RIB and one on foot up the gangplank. All Paki Navy, all bad jihadis (who cares if they call themselves AQ or TTP, they were trying to kill Americans, they are "the enemy"). Wearing the right Marine uniforms but carrying the wrong weapons. An alert sentry plunked them (the ones in the boat). Why? Because there had been a very recent bust of an Uzbek cell with plans to similarly attack Pak Navy facilities and people had their guard up

. Why didn't we know about this attempt? Could it because brave, unarmed journalists are cowed by the cowards of the ISI?


Posted by Arjuna at September 18, 2014 5:54 PM ET:

Eric, do please share any info you have on a 2011 attack. That seems awfully recent to be so little reported on. The 1971 attack accounts are all over. Thanks for the missile info!


Posted by Arjuna at September 18, 2014 6:33 PM ET:
 
Sorry to be disagreeable, Eric, but I understand that this frigate PN 251 was on her way to join the GW in a CT task force exercise so they would have expected her, she'd just surprise them and join early, Ying 802 missiles first. This enemy is not dumb. They could have gotten a shot off (We didn't think the Buk worked without a radar and a control track until recently, either.). This was the largest single attack in terms of potential US loss of life and military power since 9/11. We are VERY lucky that Pakistani Army Commandos from the Special Services Group and the Shipboard Sentry did their jobs. Now find and prosecute their trainers and handlers, Pakistan, and tell us the whole story.


Posted by bard207 at September 18, 2014 9:42 PM ET:

Eric,
I responded to you in an earlier discussion and you didn't give a response.

Here is a story about the PNS Zulfiqar making a visit to Saudi Arabia in February 2012.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/406170

Here are two links about an earlier PNS Zulfiqar taking friendly fire in 1971.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNS_Zulfiqar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trident_(1971)

Since you come across as quite confident with your story of the current PNS Zulfiqar taking friendly fire in 2011, please provide links to support your position on this matter.




Posted by Don at September 19, 2014 12:04 AM ET:

I don't know why many are quick to dismiss these rogue officers abilities. Ever since ISI Lt Gen Mahmood Ahmed was mailing money to Muhammad Atah in 2001, they have effectively started everything since 9/11, covered blunder after blunder (they buried this story folks, can we interrupt the Bengahzi coverage for a moment to cover something that could have changed the world yet again), kept the US out of terrorist run havens, and made jihad global.

 
Why does ISIL want Siddiqi out of jail, a Pakistani female scientist who had pounds of cyanide on her and map of sites in US? Pakistani negotiators asked for the same thing when they had one of our guys. It's because they are all run by the same groups with government connections. Outside of this amazing site, I feel as if we have learned nothing from 9/11 and didn't even notice as another was narrowly averted.


Posted by blert at September 19, 2014 8:07 AM ET:
 
IIRC, the C-802 missile was designed, by the Chinese, to carry an atomic warhead.
From the outset, the missile was designed to sink American carriers.

Pakistani atomics are derived from Chinese designs, AFAIK.

Because of operational secrecy, the Pakistanis are never going to spill the beans, but it's a pretty good bet that at least one of the C-802 missiles deployed on these frigates has an atomic warhead.

This would go a long way to explaining why the security guards on the vessel were so able and paranoid. They were, in fact, elite atomic troops -- hand picked and well trained -- and well paid.
Using elite troops to guard atomic weapons is standard fare in American, Russian, et. al. militaries.

AQ had a plan that ran into the Pakistani "A" team; first string troops. That was unexpected.
When a missile, such as a C-802, mounts an atomic warhead, it usually has very extended range. The atomic warhead will be substantially lighter than a conventional round. All other structures will be built to the highest standard. (lightest weight) Externally it will appear to be entirely conventional.

This provides operational security.

For these reasons no-one should trust the 'missile effective range' statistics that are kicked around in public. If it's public, it's a lie.


America's cruise missiles designed for atomics had staggering ranges w a a a a y beyond that of the conventional cruise missile version. The Soviets considered them so threatening that they were one of the first atomic systems subject to arms control.


I would not be surprised to find out that an atomic C-802 can travel hundreds of miles.


Knowing AQ's style, I wouldn't put it past them to bird dog the American fleet with a 'fishing' boat and a suicide crew. GPS would then do the trick.


My gut tells me that AQ wasn't even thinking about taking the ship to sea.

%%%


I suspect that Islamabad is tearing the house apart tracking down the conspirators. For if they'd pulled it off, Pakistan would be glowing from end to end by now.


After the OBL fiasco, Islamabad is dancing on thin ice.


The Pakistani navy is going to simply have to remove all atomics from their ships.

IIRC, Islamabad was offered PAL technology -- and turned it down flat.

So, a mere handful of junior naval officers can imperil that entire nation -- with no notice at all.

AQ wants a war so big that Pakistan can't survive it.



Posted by Arjuna at September 19, 2014 12:20 PM ET:
 
Blert, great comments as usual. Supposedly there was an Uzbek cell with a similar Pak Navy facility attack plan which was recently disrupted, hence the higher alert level. But your nuclear cruise missile theory still holds kilotons of weight. The bad guys have two Chinese designs they stole or were given, 1966 and 1998 versions, which they are field modifying for the big fireworks which have always been their end game. Apparently the sentry saw AKs, which are not standard Navy issue. The moral of my comment is that there are multiple such plans being hatched in PK at any given moment and, thus, the entire world is thin ice indeed.


Posted by Arjuna at September 19, 2014 1:14 PM ET:
 
Don, I could not agree more with your point of view. ISI are central and ignored, if not condoned, by key players. The Siddiqui-AQ/ISIL-Pak Govt/Army connections to WMD are stark and alarming. Not only are both AQ Core and ISIL (probably AQAP, as well) working towards big bio, they are being helped along by Pakistan, who almost certainly has sold nukes to Saudi Arabia. We have a plethora of problems emanating fro one place.

Blert, you seem to be saying that a nuclear cruise missile launch on an Indian city right from the dock in Karachi was a possible aim, if they were guarding what you postulate. I'm reminded that the Indian Mujahideen (now part of AQIS) wanted to nuke Surat and discussed it w the ISI. That city, in Modi's home state, would have been a tempting target to someone like Z, don't you think? And so close to Karachi. I bet that was the plan.



Posted by Arjuna at September 20, 2014 1:03 PM ET:
 
So where are the martyrdom videos? What were the targets? Usama? SITE? Even though the Navy traitors failed, these should still make for illuminating viewing while their actors are being interrogated. Somebody's watching.


Posted by blert at September 20, 2014 9:51 PM ET:

 
Don:
"Why does ISIL want Siddiqi out of jail, a Pakistani female scientist who had pounds of cyanide on her and map of sites in US? Pakistani negotiators asked for the same thing when they had one of our guys."

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This gal keeps coming up on the Muslim radar because:

1) Opfor psyops has lifted XXX porno footage which was shot in New Jersey (circa 2002) which features a orchestrated 'rape' of a hot young 'Muslim' babe -- and used it ever since as an instance of 'Crusaders' victimizing 'Siddiqi.'

2) Those pleading for 'Siddiqi's' release have absolutely no conception that the real Siddiqi is an ugly hag, PhD scientist, who has found her love life empty for many, many, years -- long before 2001.

3) They also have yet to figure out that they've been viewing out-cuts from a XXX porno shoot -- every last participant was an infidel.

As for Westerners: it's a rare man in the West that has any clue that bootlegs of the New Jersey shoot have been passed around on AQ DVD agitprop all of these years. All that they see is that a gal that belongs in solitary for life is constantly being brought up by Muslims as a victim. (of infidel rape!)

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There is ANOTHER agitprop video that has been circulated by Islamist media. They took a "Boys In The Hall" gag video that was filmed over twenty-years ago and spread it around.
The "Boys In The Hall" were a gay Canadian comedy troupe that was broadcast by HBO a generation ago. Many of those players have gone on to other high profile media projects -- usually on TV.

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Because both the porno and the comedy bit would be rated as either XXX or R -- they are not ever brought up in any news broadcast in the West.

This keeps these two toxic memes floating on in the Muslim collective (male) mind while being entirely off the radar in the West.

It is quite impossible for me to overstate the impact of the porno agitprop. The way it has been handled, each new viewer thinks that the footage has been smuggled out of a CIA detention center within only the last twelve months. That's the power of a bootleg DVD agitprop video. It's compounded by being, very likely, the first porno that the Muslim boys have ever seen. They've got absolutely no basis of comparison. They buy it hook line and sinker.


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The comedy video -- I saw the original broadcast -- was one of the funniest - and lewdest - ever aired.
It was released to coincide with Holloween week. Lacking any story boards, it's hard to relate in words. The gist of it is that a young man is nervously awaiting his (obviously gay) date. Wordlessly, the script tosses out his fantasy imaginings of dating horror -- with allusions to Dracula, perverted sex, sadism, bondage, and entrapment. These visuals are snapped on by -- contrasted with the naive innocence of his date -- who is utterly harmless and dressed like the boy next door.

The punchline/ image is that even before his date knocks on his door our young man has passed out -- and dropped to the floor unconscious. His date finally breaks in to his bedroom to discover that the young man's (very large) dog is taking advantage of him... to the complete horror of his date.
This sequence was tossed into the mix of political art criticizing Mo' that originated in Denmark -- all those years ago.


Stills from both the porno and the HBO broadcast were added to those of the Jyllands-Posten and are STILL circulating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

As you might expect, Westerners are totally confused as to why the Denmark series is STILL a hot button.

The connection laid out here is largely unknown. The Islamists have got both sides arguing at cross purposes. It's the two 'additions' that have got Muslims upset the most. Whereas, the Westerners keep defending the harmless political artwork.

Like 'The Protocols', this agitprop figures to have really long legs.

 


Read more:

 http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/09/aqis_claims_failed_p.php#ixzz3EFuKAfMo