IND- CHINA BORDER DISPUTE: Why China is Miffed

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                          TIBET THE SPIRITUAL 

                 AUTONOMOUS  REGION OF INDIA

                                     AWAITING TO BE LIBERATED

                GOD FAVOURS  BIG  GUNS 

                                     & 

                  NOT DEEP POCKETS 

                                   AND

                      INDIA HAS NO GUNS 

                                    BUT 

                     ONLY BIG SCAMS

                                        &

                     BIG COMMISSIONS     

                                                 - VASUNDHRA                                            

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              Why China is Miffed

                                  By

             Gen VP Malik (Retd)

It isn’t just about the Dalai Lama, it is to do with ambition & growth

 

                                                  HARD TIMES: India will require greater political ingenuity to come out of this mess.

INDIA-CHINA 

relations are sinking once again. 

But it would be naive to consider this development only in the light of the Dalai Lama’s visit to the Tawang monastery: it was his fifth visit to Arunachal Pradesh and third to Tawang.

 The reasons for Chinese fulmination are more fundamental and strategic in nature. 

As large and fast growing Asian powerhouses, China and India have become increasing mindful of their territorial integrity and security, strategic and economic ambitions, and manoeuvring space in the global environment. China’s strategic alliance with Pakistan, blocking India’s entry into the NSG and the UNSC, denying  the declaration of Masood Azhar as a global terrorist, its steady outreach to India’s other neighbours in South Asia, and its territorial claims in the area of South China Sea are some of its strategic assertions. 

The fundamental reason, however, remains the dispute over the China-India boundary after China’s PLA occupied Tibet in 1950. The India-China war (1962), skirmishes at Nathu La (1969), at Wangdung (1986), and several attempted intrusions along the disputed boundary have made this the most sensitive issue. 

Let us check on the hotspots — India’s Northeast first. During the 1962 war, after routing India in Kameng (Arunachal Pradesh), the PLA occupied Tawang and came up to Chakoo, south of Bomdila. After the unilateral ceasefire, the PLA withdrew to its present positions on the Line of Actual Control (LAC), 35 km north of Tawang. During that period, China failed to woo the Monpa population of Tawang who kept themselves aloof from the Chinese. 

When talks began, China was prepared to accept the territorial status quo in the Northeast if India would accept the post-war status quo in Ladakh. After 1985, it began to claim Tawang, and later the whole of Arunachal because it is ‘inalienable from China’s Tibet in terms of cultural background and administrative jurisdiction’. China opposes even development projects there.

The claims over Arunachal have become shrill and threatening, notwithstanding that the claim repudiates Article VII of the Agreement on Political Parameters and Guiding Principles for the Settlement of India-China Boundary Question of 2005. Its cardinal provision states, ‘In reaching a boundary settlement, the two sides shall safeguard due interests of their settled populations in the border areas.’

The situation in India’s northwest is more complex. In the 1950s, China constructed a strategic road connecting Tibet to China’s Xinjiang through the Aksai Chin area of J&K claimed by India. The dispute became one of the triggers for the 1962 war. In 1963, Pakistan and China signed an agreement wherein Pakistan ceded the Shaksgam valley, part of J&K territory of Northern Areas occupied by Pakistan, to China. This area forms a wedge between Afghanistan and Xinjiang and provides land route links between China and Pakistan. The status of Northern Areas was kept nebulous as Pakistan’s constitution did not recognise Northern Areas as Pakistan territory. It was area ‘under the actual control of Pakistan’. 

Article 6 of the pact stated, ‘The two parties have agreed that after the settlement of Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and India, the sovereign authority concerned will reopen negotiations with the government of the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) on the boundary so as to sign a formal boundary treaty.’ Its next paragraph stated, ‘Provided that in the event of the sovereign authority being Pakistan, the provision of this agreement and the aforesaid protocol shall be maintained in the formal boundary to be signed between the PRC and Pakistan.’

But now China tows the Pakistani line on J&K and its troops and engineers are deployed in parts of the PoK. Two years ago, when China and Pakistan decided to build the CPEC with $46 billion investment, China again safeguarded its strategic stake (and overcome the possibility of India’s objections), insisting that ‘disputed territory’ tag be removed from Gilgit-Baltistan. Pakistan has obliged. After a constitutional amendment, the region will soon be declared as Pakistan’s fifth province. With a change in the political status of Gilgit-Baltistan, China would make significant territorial and strategic gains even though this development would have repercussions for India, Pakistan, and the people of Gilgit-Baltistan.

The Chinese vision for the CPEC goes back to the 1950s, primarily to acquire access to the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean. That motivated them to construct the Karakoram highway and take up construction at Gwadar. The CPEC is a collection of projects intended to modernise Pakistani infrastructure and strengthen its economy by the construction of high-speed motorways and railway networks, energy projects and special economic zones. In the process, Xinjiang will get direct access to Gwadar. The mega project will mark a major advance in China’s plans to boost its influence in the Central, South and West Asia. One has to admire the Chinese leadership’s strategic vision!

While working on the prognosis of these developments, we should also factor in the national power edge that China enjoys over India. There is little doubt that the balance of power will continue to shift in China’s favour.

On the face of it, India and China have a cordial, cooperative, bilateral relationship. There is the civilisation relationship, economic cooperation, the annual strategic, political and economic dialogues; even some military cooperation. But China’s competitive relationship far outweighs the cooperative one. As Aaron Freidburg states, ‘Relations between great powers cannot be sustained by inertia, commerce or mere sentiments’. The deep strategic fissures cannot — should not — be ignored. 

The foremost India-China bilateral problem is of unresolved boundary. China says that Tibet, including south Tibet, is a ‘core issue’ and there will be no compromise over territorial integrity. The problem is that most of China’s neighbours do not know which Chinese era is its territorial benchmark. What exactly is the Chinese territory? China recognises McMahon Line as its boundary with Myanmar but not with India. Till date, it has successfully evaded giving any meaningful idea of their version of the LAC in spite of undertaking to do so in solemn bilateral agreements.

Paul Kennedy in his book The Rise and Fall of Great Powers has stated that ‘Long-term shifts in economic productivity of nations are co-terminus with the increase or decrease of their global influence.’ After successfully developing its economy, China is now revealing its imperious intent more openly.

According to Henry Kissinger, ‘The PRC leadership is capable of extreme elasticity and pliability, surpassing the marvels witnessed in the fantastic physical contortions of the famed Chinese circus gymnasts.’ He also states, ‘The familiar Chinese style of dealing with strategic decisions is: thorough analysis; careful preparation; attention to psychological and political factors; quest for surprise; and rapid conclusion.’

In the coming days, we can expect more of coercive diplomacy and bullying tactics from China. More incidents along the LAC, even border skirmishes cannot be ruled out. China may also encourage Pakistan to create new diplomatic and security pressure points over India. 

India will require greater political ingenuity, determination and more effective military response capability to safeguard its national interests.

 The writer is a former Army Chief

DELHI PAKRO : IF SHEKAR GUPTA CAN DO WHY NOT CHINKS

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https://www.thequint.com/world/2017/01/16/can-china-army-reach-new-delhi-in-2-days-cold-start-doctrine-chinese-state-tv-war-with-india



DELHI PAKRO : IF SHEKAR GUPTA CAN DO  WHY NOT CHINKS

This is not the first time China has tried to use rhetoric as a deterrence strategy against India, but it comes as probably the first one which is as specific. (Photo: iStock)

DELHI PAKRO
DO NOT LAUGH IT OFF. YES IT CAN BE DONE - VASUNDHRA

[ THE ANSWER LIES IN THE CONCEPT OF CENTRE  OF GRAVITY OF BATTLE FIELD.[COG] FIELD MARSHAL ROMEL HAS DISCUSSED & TOUCHED UPON IT DURING NORTH AFRICAN CAMPAIGN & SO HAVE THE NUMEROUS MILITARY THINKERS. NOW CHINESE ARE ON IT. YES DELHI CAN BE CAPTURED IN 48 Hrs, BUT AFTER CAPTURE HOW WILL THEY WITHDRAW or WILL THEY WITHDRAW ? ]

 IF SHEKAR GUPTA CAN get  DELHI CAPTURED   WITH A  COY GROUP  of ARMY, WHY CHINKS CANNOT DO WITH  THE THIRD LARGEST ARMY!!!!!!!!

Can China’s Army Really Reach Delhi in 2 Days? Nope, Say Experts

Sameeksha Khare

YEP, SAYS VASUNDHRA

“It would take China's motorised troops 48 hours and its paratroops 10 hours to reach India's capital if war broke out,” a Chinese State television channel boldly proclaimed.

This is not the first time China has tried to use rhetoric as a deterrence strategy but it comes as probably the first one that is so specific. 

Interestingly, this also comes on the back of Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat’s pointed comment on honing India’s Cold Start strategy for Pakistan.

Does the Chinese state TV’s statement come as nothing more than a deterrence tool, or are the claims viable?

‘A Ridiculous Remark Made Without Any Practicality’

Experts and retired army officers were quick to rubbish this as illogical rhetoric, and questioned the logistics of the provocative claim. The ill-thought-out remark shows the level of understanding of the people who’ve made it, said retired colonel Rohit Agarwal. Speaking to The Quint, he broke the comment down and analysed its impracticality.

For motorised troops to infiltrate the mountainous terrain of the north-eastern border of India and advance further inside is not possible, he said.

Soldiers of Indian Army and Chinese Army undertaking endurance exercises during Indo-China Joint Military exercise in November 2016. (Photo Courtesy: Twitter/@adgpi)

If you’re talking about motorised troops, you need to first look at the terrain. Where will those troops come from? All of our north-eastern border is mountainous, so, even if they plan on using that route for their troops, how far can they advance?

 Rohit Agarwal, Retired Colonel, Indian Army

As far as the paratroops are concerned, anyone can drop paratroops anywhere, said a former Indian army commander to The Quint. Putting the situation in perspective, he said:

If it takes their paratroops 10 hours to reach Delhi then theoretically it will take even our paratroops the same time to reach Beijing.

Rohit Agarwal, Retired Colonel, Indian Army

Agarwal explained that depending on the flying time and the time taken to prepare, why just 10 hours? One can drop paratroopers anywhere anytime, but what thereafter? What possibilities will they have after landing in foreign territory? Will it be a clandestine operation? If so, what will it lead to? It would then be a full-scale escalation, he added.

You can drop paratroopers in Delhi as and when you like, but what will they do once they reach the ground? So, I think it’s just rhetoric.

 Rohit Agarwal, Retired Colonel, Indian Army

Agarwal says it’s difficult to discern what might have prompted the state channel to issue the remark. But China is always looking to send messages and threats to India or even United States, said Brigadier Gurmeet Kanwal (ret’d).

This claim is beyond ridiculous. It’s saying their motorised troops will reach Delhi in 48 hours – how will they cross the Himalayas?

 Brigadier Gurmeet Kanwal (ret’d)

Further, a former Army commander explained that notwithstanding all the disputes India has with China and Pakistan, the chances of a war are extremely low.

This is nothing but a figment of imagination of the television channel and a matter of who they’re quoting and how. It’s just imaginations running wild and typical punchline reporting by the state channel.

Former Army Commander

The Chinese state TV’s comment was issued without context and, seeing the experts’ views, is being interpreted as mere rhetoric – thus negating any deterrence effect it may have sought to achieve.

PS 

  CHINKS  WOULD OPEN A   OPERATION MAINTENANCE  AXIS FROM SHILPA PASS TO  SIMLA TO CHANDIGARH TO DELHI IN 48 HRS  & WILL DO SO ON OTHER MAIN & SUBSIDARY AXIS AS PER THEIR OPERATION PLANS

DELHI PAKRO
Do not laugh it off. Yes it can be done 

The answer lies in the concept of Centre Of Gravity of Battle Field (COG)  Field Marshal Rommel  has discussed and touched upon it during North African campaign & so have   the numerous military thinkers.. Now the chinese are on it(COG). Yes Delhi can be captured in  in H plus 48 Hrs  but after capture how will they withdraw or will they withdraw at all ? 

IF SHEKAR GUPTA CAN get  DELHI CAPTURED   WITH A  COY GROUP  of ARMY, WHY CHINKS CANNOT DO WITH  THE THIRD LARGEST ARMY!!!!!!!!

Coming to hard facts. 
After Sumdrung chu incident Chinese have developed the capability to induct one air borne division in 24 hrs, one Airborne corps in 72 hours & they have practically demonstrated by launching a para division within two to four hours in the earth quake zone of 2009( ?year). 

With the advent of Railway line they can induct 25 to 30 divisons to Lhasa in thirty days with micro induction management. Their road communication in Tibet is almost first class. Chinese have a full fledged Airfield/port with SIX KILOMETER runway    Sixty kilometers as the crow flies off CHUSUL south of NGARI in tibet,  including at Shigaste & Lhasa. From Ngari flying of heavy weight crafts  time to Chandigarh is one hour & to Delhi 2   minus hours (minus). Chinese do have a capability till 2009 to airlift a division & para drop. Which they must have improved probably to a Corps.

 It is fact that they can capture Arunachal  & Aksai chin in 48 hours & Indians response time is estimated to be 7 days.  In Ladhak they will link with PAKIS at Siachen for which they do have a large sand model at pass HAJI ALI What ever I say here is all available  on the net and much more. Cutting it short Chinese have the capability to capture Chandigarh & Palam  in H pls 8 hrs and link up with motorised divisons  combo with airlift in D plus   48hrs . It is possible.& be assured Indians will not know what has hit them .
THIS IS A FACT. I AM NOT JOKING -                                                                          Vasundhra